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Stop screwing around.

JRiver

Or, if you just want to play music, no sync, no play lists, no graphical interface, no nothing...but just play music. then:

JPlay

JPlay loads digital files onto the memory in your computer, then sends the output from there to a USB port using ASIO, WASAPI, Kernel Streaming, etc.. (it doesn't use Windows!)
Then you use a USB Dac to.... whatever

Pretty much ain't nothing better.
Edited by billbartuska - 1/4/13 at 4:10pm
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Interesting

stil confused what files are best.

I hear Flac is great but not best.... yet i see no other suggestions.
Also if flac is too large? Would there be a smaller file format that has the same or very close Quality? rolleyes.gif
     
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Interesting
stil confused what files are best.
I hear Flac is great but not best.... yet i see no other suggestions.
Also if flac is too large? Would there be a smaller file format that has the same or very close Quality? rolleyes.gif

I'll make this is simple as I can, then link to what you need to know...

CD'sfor example, take music and divide each second of sound into roughly 44,000 parts. Each part gets a "digital" code that describes how loud that 1 of the 44,000 parts should be. That digital code is made up of 1's and 0's. The more 1's and 0's that are used for each 1/44,000th of a second, the better the sound will be when converted back to analogue music. If there was only one digital digit (1=as loud as possible, 0= silent) it would be impossible to have sound that had a varying loudness. The more 1's and 0's used the better the "digital" sound can match the original analogue sound. CD's use 16 (digital) bits to describe each 1/44000 the of a second.

So now you have a digital "file" that is made up of millions and millions of these digital bits for each song. So, now you want to store this music on your computer. The digital file can be stored in it's entirety, but that takes a lot of HDD space. So the file is "compressed". The more it is compressed the smaller the file will be, but, because some of the digital bits are removed, it won't sound a good as the original. It's just size VS sounding good. There are "loss less" compression programs though, that won't loose any of the bits, but still result in smaller files.

There's more in here than you asked about, but you didn't know enough to ask the right questions
Edited by billbartuska - 1/4/13 at 4:54pm
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post #14 of 38
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I see there is way more beyond this simple question of me rolleyes.gif

Oke i wil retry my question biggrin.gif




I have been using Mp3 files sinds the start of digital/ portable Mp3 players (walkman ftw!)
Are Mp3 Good quality or are they too compressed with much loss of digits ?


Everytime i install a Mediaplayer i see the supported file lists , its a lot! I didnt even know there where so many different file types mad.gif
I know Mp3 files are most common for digital and WMA is the filetype u get after Ripping a Cd tongue.gif
     
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post #15 of 38
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Are Mp3 Good quality

Though there are MP3s with differing bit depths (from bad to tolerable), MP3s are the worst, sound quality wise.

But then, if you're playing MP3s through a $29 speaker system you would be hard pressed to hear a difference between a 128 kbps MP3 and, say a FLAC file.
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post #16 of 38
Source quality is the most important part in sound.

Like the above poster, a MP3 @ 128Kbps and the same song in FLAC won't give much audible difference on a 30 dollar pair of headphones, or a 50 dollar set of 2.1 speakers. But, your ears should hear a minor difference, even with cheap speakers/headphones.

On the other hand, same MP3 will sound good on 500 dollar speakers, but same FLAC will sound significantly better.

FLAC is uncompressed sound in a compressed format, just like a ZIP file in a way. It sounds exactly the same as it does on the CD, bit for bit.

As odd as this may sound, and I don't know all the reasoning behind it, but Vinyl is the most superior medium. My educated barebones guess is that it is simply not digital.

HDTracks is a great website that offers 24bit versions of albums from all sorts of different artists. I've seen bit rates as high as 3300Kbps! And comparing those to their FLAC CD counterparts, their is an audible difference (at least on my AD700's).

Finally, dynamic range also plays a major role in how good music sounds, at least to my ear. Most music produced today is "brickwalled" (look up "loudness war" for more on that), basically meaning there is a level of loudness that all instruments, for example, are mastered to. This makes the music all mush together and no instruments stand out, they just blend. Music that is dynamic has instruments at all different levels, making them more present and the music much more pleasant.

To conclude, I would say 24bit music is overkill for most. Basically you just need to find out for yourself what format (MP3 or FLAC) and bitrate (no less than 192Kbps (preferrably VBR V0) for MP3, CD (800-1200Kbps), or Vinyl (1500+Kbps)) works for what sound card and speakers you have. OP, you said you have the space, so settle for no worse than CD quality FLAC. Nice thing about having your collection in FLAC is you can convert to MP3 or M4A (M4A is superior, just a container for AAC) for your portable devices and know you have the best possible transcode.

Hope this helps!

EDIT - foobar2000 is by far the superior Windows music application. I've compared my collection in foobar2000 and Windows Media Player and the sound is much better being played out of foobar2000 (I'm sure due to the decoders). The stock interface is extremely ugly though. I use the DarkOne theme that turns it into very not ugly. MediaMonkey may be fine as well as I have not used that program, but everywhere I read recommends foorbar2000 for pure playback quality supreme!

One more thing, FLAC is as good as a particular album is going to sound. If the album you want was only released via CD format, then a CD rip in FLAC is the best possible version. If the album was pressed on a Vinyl, or the artist offers a 24bit download (Radiohead and Nine Inch Nails for example), those are your best sources (not ALWAYS the case on Vinyl, it depends on the master, but 95% of the case it is the best).

FYI, a Vinyl or 24bit version of an album is also FLAC!
Edited by TMan459 - 1/6/13 at 2:21am
post #17 of 38
Thread Starter 
Yea i figured Mp3 are populair because of there low file sizes and not the quality rolleyes.gif


Dont worry i understand u wont get the difference in sound from 10 dollar speakers wink.gif

But i can hear a huge difference between a 128kpbs mp3 and a 320kpbs file tongue.gif
Now flac even shows a bitrate over 800+ something tongue.gif but its amazing!!

I just recently upgraded my sound card.
Also i like my sound systems i use 3 different sets rolleyes.gif

So i can always search wich system delivers the best sound for that file wink.gif

Ea gaming vs movies vs music thumb.gif



I wil also try these Mediaplayers !!
Never heard of that foobar
i did used mediamonkey before, but i have to buy the full version to be able to Rip my CD's into my PC mad.gif
Also im open for new suggestions on that , so i wil see if i can find this foobar and give it a try wink.gif






----edit
Foobar rock! biggrin.gif just using it now but already love it rolleyes.gif Thanks i wil keep trying it to find out if this is a keeper!!!
Edited by Barbecuesaus - 1/6/13 at 3:17am
     
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post #18 of 38
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I wil also try these Mediaplayers !!
JPlay, nothings better.
Note, that's not JRiver, ,which is very good, but no where near JPlay.
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Also if you don't mind having two applications installed you can go with Media monkey and something like Exact Audio Copy. EAC will rip your CDs and if there's a bit of error it will download references and correct the error, I think that's a nice feature, so if you like MediaMonkey try EAC just for ripping, good luck! thumb.gif
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as said numerous times above, store your songs in a lossless format such as FLAC
    
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