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in march 05 i built the following system:

Althon 2500+ Mobile
MSI KT6 Delta-FISR KT600
1GB PC3200 RAM
Sapphire Atlantis Radeon 9800 PRO 128 MB
Seagate Barracuda SATA 200GB HD
Samsung Spin Point P120 SATA 250 GB HD
Maxtor 6Y080L0 IDE 80GB HD
Plextor PX-716A 16x DVD±RW
LG GDR-8163BL 16x52 DVD-ROM
Avermedia DVB-T PCI Freeview

I remember a time i could run the cpu at upto 2.4GHz (170MHzx12.5 VCore 1.65V).

in the hot summer around july i started to have some stability issues so i lowered the speed to a slow 160 MHz x 11.

Now the winter is here i have tried to up the overclock but it crashes after <10 mins even with a simple OC of 170MHz x 11.5 @ 1.65 VCore.

I have noticed that dust has been building up in the heat fan, but am reluctant to use the vacuum cleaner for fear of static frying something.

just wonder if the thermal paste needs a top up - i would prefer a simpler solution if poss.

cheers

tim
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post #2 of 41
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Originally Posted by crazytim77 View Post
in march 05 i built the following system:

Althon 2500+ Mobile
MSI KT6 Delta-FISR KT600
1GB PC3200 RAM
Sapphire Atlantis Radeon 9800 PRO 128 MB
Seagate Barracuda SATA 200GB HD
Samsung Spin Point P120 SATA 250 GB HD
Maxtor 6Y080L0 IDE 80GB HD
Plextor PX-716A 16x DVD±RW
LG GDR-8163BL 16x52 DVD-ROM
Avermedia DVB-T PCI Freeview

I remember a time i could run the cpu at upto 2.4GHz (170MHzx12.5 VCore 1.65V).

in the hot summer around july i started to have some stability issues so i lowered the speed to a slow 160 MHz x 11.

Now the winter is here i have tried to up the overclock but it crashes after <10 mins even with a simple OC of 170MHz x 11.5 @ 1.65 VCore.

I have noticed that dust has been building up in the heat fan, but am reluctant to use the vacuum cleaner for fear of static frying something.

just wonder if the thermal paste needs a top up - i would prefer a simpler solution if poss.

cheers

tim
Ok and welcome!!!
Now take all that info and put it in your specs column later...deal?
Your problem is the VIA chipset that is integrated into your motherboard...there is no other way around it except gettin a board with an Nforce chipset.
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post #3 of 41
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are you sure?

any specific recomendations? how much will that cost?
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post #4 of 41
Pretty much that's what you've got to look at.
I went from a MSI KT400 VIA chipset that limited me to 1.89GHZ on my xp 2200+
then I found a K7N2 DELTA U400 (nforce2ultra) and it breezed on up to 2.1GHZ without a problem at all...I think it was 70 bucks at the shop collecting dust...
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post #5 of 41
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thanks for the suggestion PROBN4LYFE,

i'm still puzzled as to why it used to run at 2.4 GHz but not now. Mother board is still the same.... hmmmm
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post #6 of 41
Since you had it @ 2.4 GHz there's no reason it would not achieve that one more time. That is if the CPU and the mobo survived the summer intact.

I had my barton 2500 non-mobile @ 11x200... This was the most stable of all the OCs even during the summer on an ASUS nf2 mobo @1.65V. The same CPU was placed on an Asrock KT800upgrade - powered by via KT 800 which had a jumper to set the fsb@200 and it worked like a charm. Try putting him @ a higher fsb, but with a lower multi so that you don't surpass 1.85GHz. Lift the fsb as high as you can, but not higher than 200, and after you achieve the max fsb pump up the multi in 0.5 increments.

The part where you raise the FSB is the part where you OC the mobo and find its limits. The multi lifting part is where you really OC your CPU.
I'd start with a 8X multi and 166 FSB to see how it goes.
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post #7 of 41
I have always found that the most stable multipliers are full digits. Via chipsets are known to degenerate their clock crystal timings with regards to voltages so you may find that you are now in fact undervolting that processor.

I have also found 11 X 200 the most stable of non mobile 2500+ processors. I have also found that non mobile Barton processors like more than the default 1.65V that you are using. I personally find 1.75 to 1.85 the best voltages for this processor.

2.4Ghz with 1.65V? You are lucky to have made that and I wonder if it was ever prime stable?

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post #8 of 41
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thanks for the help, so far.

I have tried the tip of starting at 166MHz x 8.0 and gradually increasing the FSB. I got upto 175MHzx8.0 (Vcore at 1.70) and system started up ok, i was able to run prime torture test for a couple of minutes without crashing so i rebooted and went for 180MHzx8.0. From then on I had lots of problems getting the system to startup. Despite lowering the FSB back to 175MHz, I still had the the same problem over and over.

Basically, after 5 seconds or so of startup a message says:

Scanning Devices, Please Wait
Press TAB key into user window
Serial_Ch0 Master:ST3200822AS
Serial_Ch1 Master: no device

Normally insead of "no device" it lists my samsung SATA HD.

The boot up continues and i get the windows logo, followed by a blue screen of death with a STOP 0x0000007B,0xf7c45640.... message.

Microsoft says this can be caused by device driver issues - which confirms the previous message.

I tried loads of Vcore,FSB and multi combinations but the same error for around 2 hours...

Then i ran it at 160MHzx11.0 Vcore@1.65 and all is well again - is this just a coincidence?

I would really appreciate some advice if anyone can help here.
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post #9 of 41
clean off the dust in the heatsink using a folded piece of paper... thats what i did with my old 2500 system (had the side panel off to keep the temps down, so it got pretty dusty)... for some extra cooling you might want to try something like this this:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y20...crazyfans1.jpg
I added an 80mm to blow into the HSF and the temps dropped a good 5-7C

If its a heat related issue, that might solve it
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got some compressed air and sprayed it into the heat sink to get rid of most of the dust.

Still getting the same crashes on startup - any other ideas?
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