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Wow there are so many things wrong with Sony/MS doing this...

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1) We know they are still going to want $60~$80 a game.

2) The above prices will not go down as quickly as there is no used market.

3) How many people are going to risk $60+ on a game that has no resale value?

4) If it is tied to the console and that console dies you are out a ton of cash and games.

5) Even if it is only tied to your gamertag, what happens in households like mine where I have 2~3 of each system and the kids want to play a game that is tied to my account on a different system while I am using my account to play a different game? There is no way I am going to buy another $60+ game just so someone else in my own household can play it.

6) What happens if your account is banned or stolen? Sony and MS take weeks if not months to recover accounts as it is. Now for that entire time your console will literally be a brick unless you make a new account and assign new games to it.

7) If the disc itself has a writable sector (vs a simple key) what happens if it gets bit-rot? Or the power goes out when that sector is being written? Or the system is bumped when writing? What happens if you insert it into a console with the wrong account logged in?

8) What if the authentication servers are down? Or I have a long term internet connection? Can I load a new game? Will old ones run?

Making games unresellable will be the nail in the coffin for many console gamers. We have enough hoops to jump through with accounts, online keys, DLC and the ever odd in game store that follows no logical path, to want to deal with the fact that we may be buying a $60+ turd with no way of getting even a little of that money back.

I guarantee that any company that does this to a console will get no more $$$ from me. And I hold grudges for a heck of along time... (have yet to buy a PS3 or any other Sony hardware/media since the PS2 days)
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Originally Posted by ghostrider85 View Post

whatever it is, you purchased something right? it should be transferable/resellable like everything else you own, why not? because they are greedy, that's why.
right now they are only doing this with softwares, but what is next? what if in the near future they decide that they will be no longer sell electronics, instead they will be selling "licenses" to use those? you can no longer sell your used TVs, refrigirator, computer, etc. because you don't own them in the first place, you only own the license to use them.
You're comparing intellectual property to physical objects. They aren't the same and therefore should be governed by different laws/regulations.
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Originally Posted by ljason8eg View Post

You're comparing intellectual property to physical objects. They aren't the same and therefore should be governed by different laws/regulations.

Thank god there's someone else here who understands the difference between ip and physical objects, and ip law vs rights.
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Originally Posted by Nitrogannex View Post

If this is true, I Sony will be below the nefarious deeds of apple in my opinion, the thing is, this not only blocks used games, but, it also disallows any game sharing period. Lets say I play a game and beat it, now what, i never replay games(I have Eidetic memory, games almost never have replay value for me unless i'm achievement hunting) I can't even give the game to a friend, so the disc will sit there useless.
Now on the other hand, I think it's scummy how when game stop or other trade in places sell used games, not a penny of that goes to the game developer
If I were Sony, I would do away with this, but make it so when a game changes hands, you have to pay a small fee (say 99c) to get another license to use the game on a different console and that money goes to the Dev's (maybe also include a 30 day guess pass for when you just want to loan a game)



When i buy a used Toyota, That money doesn't go to the Toyota company, Why should it be any differant for games? or furniture, or anything else out there? Buy a used console? Money doesn't go to its maker, Buy a used ANYTHING money doesnt go to its maker, IT goes to the person you bought it off


THIS IS HOW THE WORLD WORKS PEOPLE GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSES
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You're comparing intellectual property to physical objects. They aren't the same and therefore should be governed by different laws/regulations.

Feel free to enlighten us as to what the legal difference is between the two, and why such laws differ.
 
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You mean the month or so of downtime? XBL's was still longer than that when it got attacked.

I never recall XBL being down for such an insane amount of time. I don't use XBL often though so I wouldn't know.

That isn't even the reason why I lost what little trust in Sony that I had before the PSN scandal. I lost complete trust in Sony because of their lack of any security measures. Not only was their service accessed by a plethora of amateur security holes, but they failed to put even basic encryption onto sensitive consumer information. There is no way I would ever trust Sony again for as long as I live.

Their constant attitude of trying to find new ways to nickel and dime the consumer more and limiting operations costs to a criminal level is astounding. Their products are more trouble than they're worth.
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Feel free to enlighten us as to what the legal difference is between the two, and why such laws differ.

When you buy physical objects, the object is yours forever to do with as you wish, you paid for the materials and time to make it. Software has always been nothing but a license, you own the disc, booklet, sleeve/cover but that's it. The software on the disc is not yours to freely give away, it belongs to the intellectual property owners. Same reason downloading ROMs is illegal still even though the games themselves are no longer being sold by their respective owners, the software that came on the cartridges was only licensed and is protected for quite a few more years under ip law and copyright law.
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I never recall XBL being down for such an insane amount of time. I don't use XBL often though so I wouldn't know.
It was several years and almost all but long forgotten now. Much likes sony's incident will be. Much like Microsofts patent trolling is, and how Apples will be forgotten in time also.
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That isn't even the reason why I lost what little trust in Sony that I had before the PSN scandal. I lost complete trust in Sony because of their lack of any security measures. Not only was their service accessed by a plethora of amateur security holes, but they failed to put even basic encryption onto sensitive consumer information. There is no way I would ever trust Sony again for as long as I live.
Their constant attitude of trying to find new ways to nickel and dime the consumer more and limiting operations costs to a criminal level is astounding.

No personal data on the internet or computers is safe. If an attacker really wants in and has the skills he will get in. Security for the most part, is nothing but an illusion, meant to make people feel like their information is safe just because it's behind closed doors with lock and key. Even most governments out there including the good ol' us of a has been hacked several times and have lost sensitive information.

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Their products are more trouble than they're worth

A matter of opinion that you are indeed entitled to.
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Wow, I actually like this idea. Good job Sony! I'm probably the only person in the whole thread that realizes this is a good thing. I approve!
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inb4 rampant piracy on consoles is to blame for bad sales
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Makes me glad I am switching to PC gaming
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