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I am still holding onto the hope that Steam will eventually do a "Trading Post" where you can post games you have that you'd like to trade or sell and then other people could browse it and accept your deal.

The only way I see Steam doing any kind of selling is if it's only done via Steam Wallet funds, that way they still make more money regardless. I can't really see them having a reason to allow trading though tongue.gif
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Coming from the mouth of a Sony fanboy, I am appalled. They make solid products at reasonable prices, they make real good money, why go and tick everyone in their PlayStation customer base by doing this? I have a feeling it won't be utilized, and even if it is, people will demand it be removed in a firmware update or something of the sort.

Squeeky did make a valid point regarding the developers. This patent WOULD be an incentive to developers because they will sell almost double than if this wasn't in play... Really if you want to think about it, it is just like Steam, you buy a single license game that you cannot resell. Also, console game resales do not require any further royalties to the developers per the conditions of the EULA, so the trading and purchasing of secondhand games actually HURTS their overall profit margin. I do believe it is completely wrong to take such an approach, I can understand this kind of thing for PC because obviously most games are installed to a hard drive and people could in theory resell/return the game after they buy it and keep the game itself. Doing this on consoles is entirely too excessive and Know M$, they will surely charge a premium for their stuff because it would not have this patent...
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The Disk ID mechanic as it is explained in the article is illegal in the US under the DMCA. Americans are allowed to make archived copies of their data, owned or licensed. If data is made unique to the disk such that it is unable to be archived, it is breaking the law.
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im no rocket surgeon, but isn't what sony and steam are doing the same thing?

you can login to your steam account anywhere and get games, and i can login to my brothers ps3 (i assume ps4 will be more cloud based) and get access to games on my account., is that not the same?

EDIT: canada copyright laws are way more draconian to the american ones, we can't break digital locks for archiving purposes booooo!
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Sony will make money from this. And so will a lot of other people. The generated revenue will be garnered in a similar fashion to the concept that drives the money multiplier concept.

Take out resale value from a market that is dependent on it due to low income consumers (kids).
I won't go any further with this, just no point to it.
 
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Sorry my wisdom falls on def ears. Economics is my profession

Plainly...you have no clue what you are talking about. There is no connection to producing better games and removing the used game market. Please give me a little thesis on this since you so vehemently think it will. Also If you were in economics at all you would understand the First Sale doctrine and would be against this move by Sony....that is unless you are a greed juvinile who really just wants to screw over everyone else and take away their rights for the sole purpose of making yourself more money. But since you are in agreement with the move by Sony, how would you like to by a newcar at a price of say....$60k and then at about the 3 year mark when you might want to buy a new one you can't trade it in...you can't sell it...you have to buy a new one. Now you have 2 over priced cars. 2 car payments, and they were both over priced...If I were a car company, I would produce the worlds crappiest car with this business model. "No one can resell my cars? That means the used car market is no longer my competition...so I'll just make crap cars that people will have to buy....in fact...I'll just have them be junk by 2 years after purchase and then they have to buy a new one every 2 years....what are they going to do, buy one from the other company doing the same thing...cant resell any of these cars anyway"

You my friend are a farce. I hope you buy one of those PS4s and have a great time buying games that you can't bring to other houses, or lend a friend. Maybe after a bout 6months on the shelves Sony will have a firmware upgrade that wont allow you to play on anyone else's consol either. Man will that be right up your alley...more PS4s and games since you can only play on your own consol. Imagine how good games will be then! I can see it now...Crysis 4 will look as good as Mario bros and you'll buy it for $80. Can't resell it, in fact you can't even borrow your friends to check it out. What would the developers care? Not like you can go buy Crysis 3 used to replace it...nope...Crysis 3 is still $80 too...that sucks.
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The Disk ID mechanic as it is explained in the article is illegal in the US under the DMCA. Americans are allowed to make archived copies of their data, owned or licensed. If data is made unique to the disk such that it is unable to be archived, it is breaking the law.

Technically it isn't illegal for them to do what they plan, it's just because of the DCMA, people could copy their software and Sony would have ZERO legal recourse in courts to prevent people from cracking their software to make archival copies.

So basically, they can do it, and people in the US can then be free to break their copy protection for archiving. The only thing it will do is cause people who aren't hackers or want to pay for 3rd party software to crack the copy protection legally to be pissed off at Sony and tell them to "get bent" and not buy Sony products. So why Sony would do this is beyond me. They can't win by doing this.
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I am still holding onto the hope that Steam will eventually do a "Trading Post" where you can post games you have that you'd like to trade or sell and then other people could browse it and accept your deal. Or even have game rentals like they have on some games for a few days. Like pay $5 and you then have access to a newly released game for a week...it would be nice if that $5 would go towards your purchases if you decided to, but I would never expect that. Part of me is mad about this and another part is glad that the console world is getting a taste of what I put up with on PC games.

Dude,
why can't a bunch of people who now how to program get together and write software for this very thing? Make it a public donation effort. You could charge like $1 a month for service...and all who are signed up could trade games or borrow games. This would scare the poop cycles out of publishers etc. There is no law preventing someone from borrowing my hardcopy of Sim City 4...why would it be any different for the copy sent to my PC? This is where I see a crack for steam games as advantageous. I bought it. I own it. I want to lend it or rent it or trade it or sell it....that's my right. Someone has to be smart enough to right some program for sharing like this. But making it a community effort will make this Sony crap...oh yeah and the Sim City 2013 crap...come to the surface and push to finally sort this out.

I am telling you that Music companies, Movie companies, video game companies, they will all head in this direction...you will never own anything you buy. It can not go unchecked.
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This is stupid. So I have a game I want o play at a friends house. But can't as his system thinks its a used game.
So I have to bring my system to play ay friends house.

Dumb, Dumb, Dumb.
I'll just keep my PS3, use it only for Bluray movies. Was cheaper to buy a PS3, than a actual player at the time.
    
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Technically it isn't illegal for them to do what they plan, it's just because of the DCMA, people could copy their software and Sony would have ZERO legal recourse in courts to prevent people from cracking their software to make archival copies.
So basically, they can do it, and people in the US can then be free to break their copy protection for archiving. The only thing it will do is cause people who aren't hackers or want to pay for 3rd party software to crack the copy protection legally to be pissed off at Sony and tell them to "get bent" and not buy Sony products. So why Sony would do this is beyond me. They can't win by doing this.
A unique Disk ID would likely be a physical component of the disk. Otherwise, as you point out, it could be made non-unique.
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