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Only reason Sony is gonna get a penny from me this generation is Gran Turismo.
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The other side of it is if it's priced higher than you're willing to pay, don't buy it. There's a HUGE difference between something like the used car market and used games. Even if a used car is in perfect condition, the miles put on it devalue what is being received. With Blu Ray discs, there is zero devaluation of the product unless it's been damaged. If I put 1000 hours into Skyrim but take care of the disc, when I hand it to you you get the exact same product as a new game. There's zero incentive to buy new over used if the disc isn't damaged. Capitalism dictates the same product for the cheaper price is better. A used game is the exact same product. That's why you see multiplayer access codes, that's why you see day 1 DLC, that's why there are preorder exclusives.
Used/pirated games are "good" for gamers the same way cocaine is "good" for an energy boost. It's a short term fix with long term complications.

I'm sorry but no you're wrong.
You're not even providing any standpoint to attack, it's a jumble of incoherent assumptions.
1. Cars are not valued on mileage
2. Used games are not used cars, but not in the way you state: Used games are a fringe market compared to used cars. The investment value is far lower and the value dexrease is higher for games than cars, theres no real incentive to sell games once you've bought them as the value drops by half as soon as you open the box.

The last part of your argument is easily summed up by saying "Gamers should be punished for what they might do" And don't argue that assesment because I'll just copy past it till me fingers blled, you said it now stick with it.
 
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post #83 of 545
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Its either you buy a $600 console, or pay $70/game.. There is no getting out of the costs..
People are greedy.

Or you are Sony and buy a $400 console and pay $50 a game that will only play on your console and after you've spend $2000 on games, if your console goes up, you get to start over from square one again buying the same games you already bought.

You are right, "People are greedy" and those people are spelled S-O-N-Y.
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Or you are Sony and buy a $400 console and pay $50 a game that will only play on your console and after you've spend $2000 on games, if your console goes up, you get to start over from square one again buying the same games you already bought.
You are right, "People are greedy" and those people are spelled S-O-N-Y.

I don't think that's what they're saying. It's about your account, not physical system. So even after 29 YLOD, games are still good. You just can't resell or lend them.. the lack of LENDING bothers me... but i suppose you could share login info for your account, which is a whole different issue.
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This.
Kinda wish some companies would patent things (M$???) just so others couldn't use it and have it protect the consumer. Oh no you want to stop people from being able to sell their old games? Too bad, we own that patent, no licensing available. Consumers need to start being the patent trolls and patent things we don't want other companies to do to us.
haha, yes. it would be so funny if OCN started a fund to buy patents for stupid things like this.
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My favorite part of the article:
'IGN reached out to Sony for comment but was told the company doesn't comment on rumour and speculation.'
How is it rumor or speculation if they have filed for a patent?

Because getting a patent doesn't require you to deploy it hahah.. A patent is simply the declaration of you being the idea creator.
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Or you are Sony and buy a $400 console and pay $50 a game that will only play on your console and after you've spend $2000 on games, if your console goes up, you get to start over from square one again buying the same games you already bought.
You are right, "People are greedy" and those people are spelled S-O-N-Y.

I'd assume it'd be tied to your PSN ID and not the console.
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it will be hacked, just like everything else....

Besides the point. Why should you "hack" a console to do what you want it to (especially for such a basic function, anyway) Havn't you already paid enough for the right?

This will only serve to reduce the lifespan of the console. When it's all said and done, getting ahold of new games in the distant future will be troublesome, so used games are the only option.

Again, all this DRM and nonesense from all platforms will just serve to screw us over in the long term. Stories like this, Steam and Origin are all just a means to bleed gamers dry and give us less control over the things we legitimately purchase.


And that console in the picture looks rubbish. Somewhat reminds me of a dated VCR player we used to own years ago - thats going to be alot of fun to haul about to friends because you simply just can't take the games instead.

But oh well, never been much of a Playstation fan anyway.
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Or you are Sony and buy a $400 console and pay $50 a game that will only play on your console and after you've spend $2000 on games, if your console goes up, you get to start over from square one again buying the same games you already bought.
You are right, "People are greedy" and those people are spelled S-O-N-Y.
Get some more ignorance, you're gonna need it.
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Great Scott. Anonymous namedropping and an arguement for the same salary as nurses and teachers!... (look up Love for work or "calling" and see what you get)
But HAHA!
If single palyer games are being replaced by MMOs and F2P as you fear shouldn't the response, if we assume that we live in a free world with a free market be making single player games more attractive? not punitive? This is just hypotetichal but let's say Ford implements a no resale technique in all their sedans? wouldn't people just move away from ford?
I'm talking about the second hand market, Sonys sales will drop because kids can get the same game for xbox for half the price. You might not like it but the world doesn't care.
Starters, if Sony does this, Microsoft is doing it too, it's not happening one without the other.

The other thing is that many ideas require large budgets to see them realized, and those ideas just won't see the light of day. The alternative, if you missed it, is simply the elimination of those games. Making games "more attractive" is the route COD took. Yeah, they make incredible amounts of money. They don't make incredible games. When was the last time your personal GOTY was the best selling game of the year? Top 5 seller? Top 10? How many times have you stumbled upon a great game that you didn't hear of for a long time after it launched?

As for it being a "calling", games are far from the only genre to fulfill most of the calling, and those other genres aren't too different from gaming nor do they pay much different. Gamers will lose potentially great games and those with the passion will either move on to other industries or work on other games. In most cases, people will be in the industry a fair while before they're in a situation conducive to their idea anyways, so never finding that situation won't change much on the individual level anyways.

The biggest problem is that the market doesn't determine what games see the light of day, accountants do. Crowdfunding is fixing this, but in most cases it doesn't give the budget for everything, most of the time just the budget for the basics. Not to mention if one of the high profile crowdfunded games flops, the entire thing will dry up.
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I'm sorry but no you're wrong.
You're not even providing any standpoint to attack, it's a jumble of incoherent assumptions.
1. Cars are not valued on mileage
So 2 cars, in identical condition, one with 100 miles on it and the other with 75,000 are equal in value? What world are you living in?
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2. Used games are not used cars, but not in the way you state: Used games are a fringe market compared to used cars. The investment value is far lower and the value dexrease is higher for games than cars, theres no real incentive to sell games once you've bought them as the value drops by half as soon as you open the box.
And new cars decrease in value as soon as you pull off the lot... Yes, used games are absolutely a fringe market. But this measure, among others, fights both used games and piracy at the same time. The monetary value of a used game may drop arbitrarily, but the game itself is completely unchanged from when it was launched.
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The last part of your argument is easily summed up by saying "Gamers should be punished for what they might do" And don't argue that assesment because I'll just copy past it till me fingers blled, you said it now stick with it.
Not sure how you jumped to that, I see it more as a self-destructive practice. Used games/piracy hurt the gaming market by altering the sales dynamics of semi-popular games and therefore alter how easily and how much funding similar games get in the future.

Yes, I fully realize that a lot of pirated/used copies wouldn't have been sales anyways. However, at least with used copies their prices will be matched by new copies in 6 months to a year for anything other than extreme hits. If the game is good enough that you're willing to pay for it at X price level, wait until X price level means you're actually showing appreciation to the people who made the game.
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Or you are Sony and buy a $400 console and pay $50 a game that will only play on your console and after you've spend $2000 on games, if your console goes up, you get to start over from square one again buying the same games you already bought.
You are right, "People are greedy" and those people are spelled S-O-N-Y.

It's more like those people called I-N-V-E-S-T-O-R-S.
 
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