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I want this! I've been eyeing the h100 but this just seems so much better. I love the idea of being able to "add on". I know i'll eventually get into watercooling so this would be a great first step.
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NCIX has them up for preorder FYI thumb.gif
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No, the 680 dual gpu based system shown at the end added an MCR220 and an MCR240 so it had three double rads dissipating heat. It was all run by the same H220 pump though and built upon that system, so it does go to show you how the pump is plenty capable of pushing through some add ons.

I personally would plan to add an extra mcr220 or 240 equivalent per added block as a general rule. The H220 rad is probably ok for a single CPU/GPU, or multi GPU with lower heat outputs, but if you start pushing really high heat levels from stuff like a 3930 or 680, you probably need a 220 per component to keep things at really good levels.

I know I saw a huge change from switching from an I7 2600K to a 3930K. The 3930 probably dumps double the amount of heat as the 2600K. Same goes for some of the GPUs, not all dump anywhere near the same amount of heat.

I would have liked to see them test all the AIO products at high speed like 1800RPM too though. The noise test wasn't completely fair for the H100i, the H100i cranks up to 2700RPM, of coarse it's going to be louder than 1800RPM fans. If they turned them all up to 1800 and compared, that would be more a like. That would be my only complaint about the experiment in not being apples to apples. Would have been cool had they measure average temp per dbA or something similar to that, but that would take some work to do and probably not video material.

What I did like was the demonstration of the bigger system expanded which shows the pump is capable of much more than just the CPU cooling which is really what's important here. You can always replace the fans later on any of the AIO products, but the pump and CPU block you are stuck with. The sealed systems you are stuck with CPU only cooling where the H220 allows upgrades. That's the real nuts and bolts difference.
You're wrong about that. The last system had a dual 7970 graphics set up. There were four systems on the main display table and the fourth one had the H220 cooling the CPU, dual GTX 680s in SLI and the chipset. I know it sounds crazy, but this AIO liquid cooling kit can handle it. I'm currently working on the Customer Support Team for Swiftech and handling their RMA department here. Please contact me at bryan@swiftech.com if you have any further questions. I've been a member of this forum for a little while now and I hope to help those that have any questions or concerns about our products.
Edited by BramSLI1 - 1/25/13 at 12:28pm
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Why rip off the Corsair naming convention? Swiftech just HAD to put an "H" in front of the name did they? Sounds like deceptive marketing to me, obviously trying to capitalize on the success of Corsair's products. That's a shame, since you wouldn't think Swiftech would have to stoop that low.
Actually, Swiftech has been using the letter H in their naming scheme for many years now. Long before Corsair came along and started using it so who's copying who? Just saying.
Edited by BramSLI1 - 1/25/13 at 12:26pm
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Actually, Swiftech has been using the letter H in their naming scheme for many years now. Long before Corsair came along and started using it so who's copying who? Just saying.
I already kinda took back my words and admitted drunk posting. Thanks for regurgitating something several weeks old though, that really helps. biggrin.gif
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You're wrong about that. The last system had a dual 7970 graphics set up. There were four systems on the main display table and the fourth one had the H220 cooling the CPU, dual GTX 680s in SLI and the chipset. I know it sounds crazy, but this AIO liquid cooling kit can handle it.

Sorry I wasn't clear, I was trying to answer the CPU + SLI GPU Loaded at the same time question and thought the poster was referring to system 5 "At the end" which I noted in my response. I thought sys4 and 5 both were running 680s and missed the 7970s were running on the last system.

Perhaps I missed it?, but was system 4 loading GPU also??

I heard that burn test was being used, but I didn't hear anything about a GPU benchmark running concurrently.

Regardless, I was trying to figure it out using C/W and heat loads and cobbled together the following:
MCR-QP-Series-DATA.png

At 1200RPM an MCR220 has about a .095C/W

Assuming a 130W processor and two 195W video cards can add to upwards of 500W. Even if you reduce that to 80%, it's still a massive 400W worth of heat. Granted there isn't much data on "REAL LIFE HEAT LOADS", so going off a guess here and assuming 80% of max is a good guess.
400W * .095C/W = 38C, that is really way too high, you would definitely need higher fan speed..

At 2000RPM however the C/W gets much better at a .035C/W, 400W * .035C/W = 14C (still too high for my liking)

The kit fans run up to 1800RPM, so the C/W value must be between the .035 and .095. The change is .06C/W over 800RPM or .0075C/W per 100RPM. To estimate the 1800RPM I will take the .035C/W value and add .0075C/W x 2 or a C/W = .05

Now back to the assumed 400W heat load.

400W x .05C/W = 20C.

To get a 10C delta (which I would consider a good average), I would think you need to add one more MCR220QP and use full 1800RPM speeds which is more in line with the system 5 setup which is what I would do..thumb.gif

Actually I like a quad rad per component (Silence and a 5C water delta), but that gets tough keeping INSIDE a case..biggrin.gif
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"With temperature differences as high as 10 degrees Celsius above the H220, the Corsair H100i seems to be no match."
http://www.xcpus.com/reviews/corsair-h100i-vs-the-swiftech-h220

Also a three page review:
http://www.xcpus.com/reviews/swiftech_h220

But these results show them pretty close to the same, but better noise levels with the H220:
http://www.overclockers.com/swiftech-h220-lcs-all-in-one-water-cooler-review
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Sorry I wasn't clear, I was trying to answer the CPU + SLI GPU Loaded at the same time question and thought the poster was referring to system 5 "At the end" which I noted in my response. I thought sys4 and 5 both were running 680s and missed the 7970s were running on the last system.

Perhaps I missed it?, but was system 4 loading GPU also??

I heard that burn test was being used, but I didn't hear anything about a GPU benchmark running concurrently.

Regardless, I was trying to figure it out using C/W and heat loads and cobbled together the following:
MCR-QP-Series-DATA.png

At 1200RPM an MCR220 has about a .095C/W

Assuming a 130W processor and two 195W video cards can add to upwards of 500W. Even if you reduce that to 80%, it's still a massive 400W worth of heat. Granted there isn't much data on "REAL LIFE HEAT LOADS", so going off a guess here and assuming 80% of max is a good guess.
400W * .095C/W = 38C, that is really way too high, you would definitely need higher fan speed..

At 2000RPM however the C/W gets much better at a .035C/W, 400W * .035C/W = 14C (still too high for my liking)

The kit fans run up to 1800RPM, so the C/W value must be between the .035 and .095. The change is .06C/W over 800RPM or .0075C/W per 100RPM. To estimate the 1800RPM I will take the .035C/W value and add .0075C/W x 2 or a C/W = .05

Now back to the assumed 400W heat load.

400W x .05C/W = 20C.

To get a 10C delta (which I would consider a good average), I would think you need to add one more MCR220QP and use full 1800RPM speeds which is more in line with the system 5 setup which is what I would do..thumb.gif

Actually I like a quad rad per component (Silence and a 5C water delta), but that gets tough keeping INSIDE a case..biggrin.gif

A 10*C Delta is nice, but nowhere near necessary. And I have yet to see ANY CLC perform as such anyway.
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True, 10c is more than necessary, but we are in an enthusiast PC watercooling forum where adequate doesn't cut it for most. I have always been one to oversize rad to get the absolute best performance and silence.

I guess that is why I never had much interest in the sealed kits, expanding and tweaking is a huge and fun part of the hobby. The problem in the past has been new users or those that just want the convenience of a prefilled kit couldn't have both the ease of a prefilled kit and expand later. Low cost and quality parts was also pretty limited. Pretty amazing this new pump has a 60,000 hour MTBF, that is more than our Laing pumps many of which have run 5years or more.

+1 Expandable is key as is having good parts that last. Don't think any other watercooling pump out there has a 60,000 Hour MTBF rating, Laing pumps are all 50,000 and some of the smaller pumps I have seen 20-30K, but 60K is a really high rating.
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