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1. What's your grip style?

Claw / palm hybrid. EDIT: Took some awful pictures of me holding the DA and the MX510 for reference, see the spoiler at the bottom.

2. What's your sensitivity?

+/- 20 - 21 cm (8.26 inches) / 360

3. What's your maximum budget?

Irrelevant *

4. Do you want additional buttons?

2 side buttons + the usual left/right click and scrollwheel

5. What games do you play?

BF3 & GW2 at the moment

6. Do you mind about prediction?

Yes.

7. Other relevant information:

Going to keep things short:
DeathAdder black edition died (I took the plunge with Razer quality, they won't see me again). Plugged in my old MX510, worked great, changed sensitivity in games and all was fine. But now it's scroll wheel seems to be possessed by some kind of demon and it's scrolling on it's own like crazy (and I'm not talking about once every 5 minutes, I really mean constantly).
So yea, I'm looking for a new mouse.

Going to try to keep this short on what I would like:
- Optical mouse (no laser, won't even consider it)
- MUST work without drivers !
- built like a tank !
- As little frills as possible, keep it basic: I don't give a crap about lights, weights, gold-plated connectors, braided cables etc...
- available in the EU

Note: I know it's cool to namedrop sensors and flawless tracking and numbers etc. but I've lost a lot of faith in them since I played with my MX510 the last couple of days. No idea what the specs are on that thing but after getting used to the completely different sensitivity I was back at the top of the scoreboard so without further stroking my epeen: numbers don't matter all that much !
I do however would like something that doesn't have prediction / acceleration.


* If there would be a $ 200 mouse out there that's perfect and would never break then I'd happily shell out the cash. Unfortunately, there isn't AFAIK so....

Things I am looking at right now and would love to get feedback on (especially in terms of use without drivers and native dpi):
Logitech G400 : not so sure how well Logitech's build quality is nowadays after that abomination called the G500
Roccat Kova (+)/ Savu : No idea about the difference between the Kova and the + version. Would also love some feedback on their build quality and if they can be used without drivers (My roccat Kone didn't even work without drivers and installing them was a PITA)
CM storm: Driverless? Build quality?

I know this has ended up way too long again but frankly, I'm kind of annoyed by the early demise of my DA and quite surprised by the performance of my MX510. (yes, she's scrolling like a maniac now but it would be like pointing a finger at an 80 year old lady and laughing that she can't run a marathon anymore ... that mouse went above and beyond my expectations of hardware !)

Hand-size reference (yes I know I have ugly nails) (Click to show)
DA palmed for size reference:

DA palmed top view:

My grip style with the DA:

My grip style with the MX510:

Edited by Bloitz - 1/4/13 at 7:05am
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Try Zowie EC series. It's similar shape as ME 3.0. No drivers.
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Originally Posted by Deadeye View Post

Try Zowie EC series. It's similar shape as ME 3.0. No drivers.
Not convinced by the build quality (I have a zowie celeritas KB, not bad but nowhere near the CM storm quickfire pro my brother has)
And not sure what they offer more to justify the price.

Will look into it though but now I have to go to the vet with my dog
Edited by Bloitz - 1/4/13 at 7:10am
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G400 or another Deathadder
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I just got the corsair m60. Feels pretty solid. Tank-like even in build quality. Retired my old razor mamba. Still works but leaks adhesive. Still a classy mouse, but try the corsair m60.
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Originally Posted by Glymbol View Post

G400 or another Deathadder

Yea, will probably buy a G400 since it seems like a good mouse for it's price and I don't have a backup mouse anymore now. Not so fond of the shape though (pretty much identical to my MX510 I think?) .
I don't want to buy an other DeathAdder unless I really have to redface.gif
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Originally Posted by davidm71 View Post

corsair m60./quote]

I've looked at them a while ago, they're sturdy with their aluminium but ... they're laser wink.gif
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Picked up a G400 today. Mostly because now that my MX510 is having issues I don't have a reliable back-up mouse anymore.
My take on the G400:

- cable is rather thin
- Material on the sides is rather slippery. Not sure what was wrong with the plastic on my MX510... I actually don't understand what the deal is with all manufacturers trying out all kinds of materials that don't feel nearly as nice or grippy like that plastic. Yes, it wears out but who cares.
- I hate the DPI buttons on the mouse. Especially since there's no visual clue as to what DPI you're running at. Would rather lock it or at least remove some steps.
- Preferred the scroll wheel on the MX510 (optical with a clip, smoother but still a lot of feedback, nicer sound as well)
- From what I can tell there's at least 1 screw below one of the mouse feet. Rather annoying since you have to remove them to open the mouse. MX510 had the screws below a sticker and it was pretty obvious where they were.

+ Good weight distribution
+ Works fine without drivers (alt-tab button doesn't work though)
+ Basic and relatively cheap
+ Bigger feet than the MX510
+ They added extra protection where the cable enters the mouse
+ Side buttons click better

= same shape. Whether that's good or not is personal. Not a huge fan of the shape myself but it's not bad

I will have to see whether it's as strong as the MX510 . But I'm not going to test that until I get something else though.


Getting more and more interested in the Zowie mice (EC1 / 2 Evo) and going to look further into them (especially in terms of durability). Other suggestions are still welcome.

EDIT: In case anyone was interested how my dog is doing: she torn a cruciate ligament in her left back knee. So yea, big surgery soon and her other knee will soon have it as well due to the added stress she puts on it now.
If you have any experience with this please feel free to PM me how it went and how well your dog has recovered.


EDIT2: Or my MX510 was running 400 dpi somehow or this G400's lowest dpi sans driver is 800 dpi ...
Edited by Bloitz - 1/5/13 at 8:14am
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Originally Posted by Bloitz View Post

Yea, will probably buy a G400 since it seems like a good mouse for it's price and I don't have a backup mouse anymore now. Not so fond of the shape though (pretty much identical to my MX510 I think?) .
I don't want to buy an other DeathAdder unless I really have to redface.gif
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Originally Posted by davidm71 View Post

corsair m60./quote]
I've looked at them a while ago, they're sturdy with their aluminium but ... they're laser wink.gif

So it's a laser mouse. Big deal what's wrong with laser?
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Laserstream Sensors from the 9XXX Series have unstable Trackinglinearity, which results in Mouseacceleration.
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Originally Posted by davidm71 View Post

So it's a laser mouse. Big deal what's wrong with laser?

They don't track as well (especially when the mousepad isn't completely dustfree)
Lift-off is usually horrible (starts tracking erratically higher up)

I had laser mice before but optical just feels smoother overall. Don't need the DPI of laser mice either.

So far not satisfied with the G400. It just feels off.
Installed the drivers now to test out different settings and I have no idea why Logitech ships it with a 1000Hz polling rate out of the box when it can't handle it -.-

Ugh, another € 45 wasted on Logitech's marketing department mad.gif

EDIT: Not even complaining about the soreness it gives me. Very weird considering the MX510 is identical in shape ...
Edited by Bloitz - 1/6/13 at 2:26am
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