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This, TBH I don't remember anyone ever saying reds until the k90 came out, must be either some insanely good switches, or more likely, if corsair does it that way it must be best.

 

Reds were a coveted switch in the keyboard underground before Corsair came around, but before Corsair, you had to import a board from Korea, Taiwan, or China. 

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Reds were a coveted switch in the keyboard underground before Corsair came around, but before Corsair, you had to import a board from Korea, Taiwan, or China. 

Then how did anyone know if they were actually good if no one really had them?

Point still stands: People are knocking blues when they're perfectly fine, same AF as reds.
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Then how did anyone know if they were actually good if no one really had them?

Point still stands: People are knocking blues when they're perfectly fine, same AF as reds.

 

Blues have a mechanical disadvantage though. The reset point is higher than the actuation point. With the MX-Greens it's the same story. 

For me, this doesn't make them perfectly fine. If I'm playing a game which requires constant double tapping like Nexuiz, Quake 3, or UT2k4, then the blues will just trip me up. 

 

It just depends on the game though, I can use blues just fine in a game which requires just basic use of the WASD keys, but as soon as you have complex double-taps it becomes more of a chore to re-learn how to double tap again instead of just coming half way up and then mashing the key down again like I do on all of the other MX Switches. 

 

Like wise, plenty of folks either had MX-Reds, or got to try them. They just were not as easy to get as they are now. 

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The blues, I've noticed, force me to be more accurate because of their 'mechanical disadvantage'. Considering blues are much more popular than most switches for typing, double tapping shouldn't be a problem smile.gif.
 
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Blues have a mechanical disadvantage though. The reset point is higher than the actuation point. With the MX-Greens it's the same story. 
For me, this doesn't make them perfectly fine. If I'm playing a game which requires constant double tapping like Nexuiz, Quake 3, or UT2k4, then the blues will just trip me up. 

It just depends on the game though, I can use blues just fine in a game which requires just basic use of the WASD keys, but as soon as you have complex double-taps it becomes more of a chore to re-learn how to double tap again instead of just coming half way up and then mashing the key down again like I do on all of the other MX Switches. 

Like wise, plenty of folks either had MX-Reds, or got to try them. They just were not as easy to get as they are now. 

Bold: Do you not just let the keys go? That what I do for double tap lol, I play Nexuiz and Ut alot too so I get you there. (Although having an analog stick to reprogram to push once = double tap is nice smile.gif )

I certainly agree learning new keyboards can be challenging.

However, another logical reason people shouldn't have expected anything but blues is because razer has yet to use anything else. See all other keyboards from them are non mech, or use blues in the blackwidow variants. (Cannot confirm about the stealth)
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The blues, I've noticed, force me to be more accurate because of their 'mechanical disadvantage'. Considering blues are much more popular than most switches for typing, double tapping shouldn't be a problem smile.gif.

 

Popularity of a switch is highly dependent on the person. 

I can say for a fact that OCN sold less MX-Blue keyboards than every other switch besides MX-Blacks, which we just did not order than many of. 

 

It has nothing to do with accuracy. MX-Black, Red, Brown, & Clear switches all have the Reset & Activation Points at the same point in the action. 

Which means I can double-tap at roughly the same point the switch releases instead of hitting the switch at the 3mm point, which is 75% of the travel distance. 

 

Like wise, this distaste has nothing to do with clicky switches either, as other clicky switches I like; and they do it right. Buckling Springs reset & activation points are nearly identical as well, so double tapping on them isn't an issue at all. 

 

Most alps work this way as well, but depends on the variety & make. 

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Bold: Do you not just let the keys go? That what I do for double tap lol, I play Nexuiz and Ut alot too so I get you there. (Although having an analog stick to reprogram to push once = double tap is nice smile.gif )

I certainly agree learning new keyboards can be challenging.

However, another logical reason people shouldn't have expected anything but blues is because razer has yet to use anything else. See all other keyboards from them are non mech, or use blues in the blackwidow variants. (Cannot confirm about the stealth)

 

I don't, as I described above; I mash the key down for the first tap and then raise it just slightly above the 2mm mark, and remash it down. 

The "Stealth" models from Razer use MX-Brown switches. 

 

The only reason Razer went with MX-Blues was the distinction between them and just about every other board on the market. The other MX Switches feel better than rubber domes, but do not sound that different. 

On the other hand, blues have that extra feel due to the click as well as that noise; which most folks who grew up using computers (generally at school or a place with Apple II's or IBM Model M's, and even some with the AT101) all grew up with the "clicky" switches. Thus, that's what is easily identifiable as mechanical. 

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It just depends on the game though, I can use blues just fine in a game which requires just basic use of the WASD keys, but as soon as you have complex double-taps it becomes more of a chore to re-learn how to double tap again instead of just coming half way up and then mashing the key down again like I do on all of the other MX Switches. 

Obviously I can't speak for everyone, but once I'd finished the whole relearning part of it I actually improved my double-tap speed when I was using blues, simply because I got used to having to move my fingers faster to double tap properly. I can see why people wouldn't like them, but I like them over the Browns I tried later at least.
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For what it's worth, bought one last week and have been using it for about 5 days now, really like it, not a fan of the Blues, but not much I could do about that.
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Obviously I can't speak for everyone, but once I'd finished the whole relearning part of it I actually improved my double-tap speed when I was using blues, simply because I got used to having to move my fingers faster to double tap properly. I can see why people wouldn't like them, but I like them over the Browns I tried later at least.

 

I've already learned to maximize my use of mechanical switches; there's no point to relearn when it's just 2 switches out of the many out there, which are poorly designed.

 

The issue is that MX Clicky switches were not designed from the ground up to be clicky. They just retrofitted their designs for it.

 

It's like those convertibles that were not designed originally with the top down.

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I've already learned to maximize my use of mechanical switches; there's no point to relearn when it's just 2 switches out of the many out there, which are poorly designed.

The issue is that MX Clicky switches were not designed from the ground up to be clicky. They just retrofitted their designs for it.

It's like those convertibles that were not designed originally with the top down.

Yeah, you definitely can tell that from normal usage which is why I'm looking at other switches to try.
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