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What exactly did the March 3rd date mean for the U.S.? Do we know what day it will be available to buy at a Micro Center, or will you be able to receive it faster by placing an order online somewhere?

As to the review: I have an H100i and there is no way I would run it at max ever, so I don't even look at those numbers. If you run that at max then you don't care about noise at all, and a custom loop or the H220 would probably be a waste for you. I am going to compare the H100i performance with a couple quiet fans, and the H220 with a couple quiet fans. If they are within a few degrees of each other then the H220 wins provided that adding another rad to cool a GPU does not raise CPU temps noticeably.

That is when they get their shipment from wherever it was made in asia (likely).

On that day I'm going to go online and order 2 + all my fittings and tubing and fluids for 2 loops including a GPU smile.gif

You're best bet to get it the fastest will be their website 3/4. A few days after that, it will reach distribution in stores, and then it is up to individual retailers to determine when / where / if it will be available in-store.
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This review did kind of hint at a concern I had, that being since the PWM of the pump and fans are tied directly together, to get the required pump performance, but not "overpump" and create extra noise you would almost need to run the pump on 1 PWM header and the fans on another.

@Swiftech guys - I know this unit comes with the 8 port PWM splitter, is it possible to run the fans and pump on 2 different PWM headers? To state the question slightly different If 2000 RPM is sufficient for flow in my loop, but I want to turn the fans up slightly and independently, will I be able to?

I believe that in order to control them independently you'll need to have them on different headers. What I mean by this is that one way of setting it up would be to use the PWM splitter for the pump and then have the fans on a different motherboard header. Of course this will depend on what kind of individual controls your motherboard even allows.
Edited by BramSLI1 - 2/25/13 at 2:55pm
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I believe that in order to control them independently you'll need to have them on different headers. What I mean by this is that you'll need to use the PWM splitter for the pump and then have the fans on a different motherboard header. Of course this will depend on what kind of individual controls your motherboard even allows.

I was thinking more pump on CPU header on my Z77E-ITX, and the PWM splitter with all the fans on case fan PWM header. As long as the pump doesn't need to be on the splitter at least.
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I was thinking more pump on CPU header on my Z77E-ITX, and the PWM splitter with all the fans on case fan PWM header. As long as the pump doesn't need to be on the splitter at least.

You can do that as well. I was just giving you an example so that you could see that none of the connections are permanent and can be moved to other headers.
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And let's not forget about the occasional pump noise and failure reports on the Corsair Hydro series. My H80 and H100i were ok, but not everyone's is... I'd rather have a little over engineered Swiftech tech to back me up.
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You can do that as well. I was just giving you an example so that you could see that none of the connections are permanent and can be moved to other headers.

Exactly what I needed to hear. Crisis averted.

The order for 2 H220 on 3/4 has been reinstated biggrin.gif

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And let's not forget about the occasional pump noise and failure reports on the Corsair Hydro series. My H80 and H100i were ok, but not everyone's is... I'd rather have a little over engineered Swiftech tech to back me up.

Point of fact: The pump on the AD2 is not swiftech, and they made their own pump for the H220 because it was overpowered, and therefor driving the price up. I'm sure some users will take advantage of the AD2 fully, since its an excellent product. This does however prevent others from purchasing it because the pump was so expensive, it pushed the system out of peoples price ranges.
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Tom's end of the review confused me. He didn't seem to use mobo control at all, because of a pre-concieved notion that swiftech would make a product that doesn't work how they intended it to work. He seems to think that running the pump directly of molex so it gets full 12v of power(which is why the PWM splitter uses molex power, not mobo power), and not to turn it down because the temps will go up(which is true, but to an extremely small degree, 30% to 100% makes like .7 degree difference). He also mentions that there aren't any fan speed reducer...but they are PWM fans with a PWM splitter. Did he not read the instructions, or fully look at his packaging? Why ignore the 10 dollar splitter that comes with the unit?

Several other reviews that I've read have absolutely loved the splitter that comes with it, and seemingly have had no issue using it. They've also said that the fans always seem louder than the pump when at equal settings with a mobo control, where Tom is saying the pump is louder than the fans. I wonder if he mounted improperly somehow and is getting extra vibrations, or if his unit isn't running optimally, because thats pretty contradictory to other things he has had. Maybe simply not using the PWM control had that effect...

His temps seem within margin of error, so I won't knock the actual results off, just his complaints at the end doing seem justified. I like some of Tom's reviews, even some none corsair ones, but this one doesn't seem well done to me.

MeanBruce: You do realize that the lower Delta of a loop will actually warm your room up more, right? That heat isn't being destroyed(it can't be, obviously), it is being moved by the radiator...into your room. Unless you have your rad running outside of the room your using it in, that heat is always being dumped into your room, and it being lower means it is actually dumping more heat into the surrounding air, warming the room up.
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Tom's end of the review confused me. He didn't seem to use mobo control at all, because of a pre-concieved notion that swiftech would make a product that doesn't work how they intended it to work. He seems to think that running the pump directly of molex so it gets full 12v of power(which is why the PWM splitter uses molex power, not mobo power), and not to turn it down because the temps will go up(which is true, but to an extremely small degree, 30% to 100% makes like .7 degree difference). He also mentions that there aren't any fan speed reducer...but they are PWM fans with a PWM splitter. Did he not read the instructions, or fully look at his packaging? Why ignore the 10 dollar splitter that comes with the unit?

Several other reviews that I've read have absolutely loved the splitter that comes with it, and seemingly have had no issue using it. They've also said that the fans always seem louder than the pump when at equal settings with a mobo control, where Tom is saying the pump is louder than the fans. I wonder if he mounted improperly somehow and is getting extra vibrations, or if his unit isn't running optimally, because thats pretty contradictory to other things he has had. Maybe simply not using the PWM control had that effect...

His temps seem within margin of error, so I won't knock the actual results off, just his complaints at the end doing seem justified. I like some of Tom's reviews, even some none corsair ones, but this one doesn't seem well done to me.

You kinda answered your own questions, he obviously did not set the product up the way it should be set up. He ran the pump at full bore and the fans at full bore, and didn't even realize why it was loud. 0 credibility as far as any conclusions go, the actual temps from his review are the only somewhat usable information.
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Tom's end of the review confused me.

I'm baffled as well. It's like a car reviewer putting 22" rims on a Z4 and complaining that the ride quality and handling is terrible.
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What about the top of the block (the kind of mesh), can that piece be taken out to replace it with another design?
yes we could - but we do not sell the APD2 HS separately - not sure we will.
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