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I see what you mean by better in pwm rather then 100% but it's only 1c which is well with in margin of error
Thats my point biggrin.gif

All this flak is being given over one test showing the H220 lose by a couple degrees, which is well within the margin of error.
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I think you misunderstood. TTL said do not buy Swiftech Rads while doing a swiftech review. He did not mention to buy anything else. Has nothing to do about agreeing. He did not give a reason to why, just do not buy.
I explained in my post a few pages back what I beleive he ment by it. He had talked about it before, and probably just assumed if you were watching the review, you had seen his other reviews and didnt take the time to explain.
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post #1942 of 3166
Qouting my self, post got mixed in a dispute a couple pages ago.
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I like TTL's case reviews, as he is one of the very few that show how thick the rad space is, and usually spends 30min to an hour going over ever little detail. He is picky about his stuff, but so are many others (me too).

Ive done lots of testing of thousands of products, and nothing is hardly ever as simple as product A is better then product B. You can get pretty large variation in test results for no apparent reason with just about any product. Its fully possible there could be something defective with his kit. Or that whatever he uses to test CPU temps (pretty sure Prime95) ran differently. I know for my self if I let prime run for about 15-20 minutes to test for heat, using the latest version with AVX and testing 14.5GB of ram, Ill get to 65ish with my Zalman cooler. However, there is a certain test around the 30 minute mark that pushes it up to 72ish. The speed in which tests are done vary on all hardware. So its very possible he ran it for X amount of time on the H100i, and then maybe a few seconds or minutes more on the H220, which was long enough for it to reach a test that was more stressful.

Also, we dont know his OC settings. If he uses a certain level of LLC on a certain board, it can change at ranfom. Ive seen with my own stuff, I can have say 1.3V in BIOS, get 1.296V under load 99% of the time, but once in a while, may spike to 1.304V for a very short time period.



There really isnt a way to make everything in a test situation perfect. Having a couple degrees of difference is well within the margin of error.



I beleive his issue with Swiftech rads, is that he thinks its worth the extra $20 or so to get an Nexxos or EX/RX rad, which testing has shown to be more efficient then the MCR series. For the price bracket of an MCR, you wont find a better rad though.

Ive been a Swiftech fan since 07 when I got my first water stuff. They are generally the first name that comes to mind when I want a bang for buck water kit. I do wish Swiftech would release a new higher tier series though, preferably 45mm or so. The Nexxos XT45/UT60 and RX series all perform extremely well with low fan speed (below 1k RPM). Would love to see Swiftech release something to compete with them. There are plenty of cases now that have around 70mm of rad space at the top, which is just perfect for a 45mm rad + 25mm fan.
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post #1943 of 3166
Just reorganized my HafX in anticipation of my H220. I was going to add my gpu to the loop with a Komodo 7970 block but it seems to be impossible to order, NCIX says the supplier has discontinued it. Any info?
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post #1944 of 3166
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Originally Posted by gabe@swiftech View Post

I think that you are referring to the CES presentations, and I'd like to clarify that we practically had no other choice but to do it that way because of what we wanted to show: comparing the operating noise and temperature between 4 similarly built systems running at the same frequency in the limited amount of time allowed by the format of this venue. You must realize that we couldn't demo each media representative by assembling disassembling the kits 4 times. It would have taken hours. Of course we knew that the kits would be later on tested in a proper and scientific format. Thus, you can be rest assured that there was absolutely no intention to mislead anyone in any way shape or form :-)

No I wasn't on about the CES I understand the limitations there it's the links to other sites e'g Compared to Corsair's H100i: http://www.xcpus.com/reviews/corsair-h100i-vs-the-swiftech-h220 they use a different case, cpu, motherboard etc. now as your linking it from your site I would hope that it would be a legit review. this is not the only link you have that does this
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post #1945 of 3166
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Just reorganized my HafX in anticipation of my H220. I was going to add my gpu to the loop with a Komodo 7970 block but it seems to be impossible to order, NCIX says the supplier has discontinued it. Any info?
It is not discontinued. NCIX is not the best place to buy watercooling, selection is limited. As long your 7970 is reference then you are good. KOMODO is my favorite for the ATI cards for blocks.
Wish they did more for Nvidia cards.
http://www.swiftech.com/KOMODO-HD7900.aspx
    
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post #1946 of 3166
So I am curious as to know what future proofing Swiftech is offering with the H220. My Corsair H80 died on me a few weeks ago and I am not planning on using the replacement that I get from RMA. Out of the box is there a guarantee that the H220 will work with Intel's upcoming Haswell/Broadwell which will be operating in Intel's new socket 1150 format? Or are early adopters going to have to buy a new mounting bracket to fit the new socket when Haswell comes out? It seems that while AMD is sticking with the same socket type for the next couple of CPU iterations, Intel is once again going to be changing their socket. So if I choose to buy an H220, am I going to have to buy a separate bracket when I choose to upgrade to Intel's next socket generation. I am currently on LGA 1155 and am looking at upgrading next year when Broadwell is out and there is a die shrink, but I want to pick up the H220 now so I don't have to use a lousy stock cooler.
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Just reorganized my HafX in anticipation of my H220. I was going to add my gpu to the loop with a Komodo 7970 block but it seems to be impossible to order, NCIX says the supplier has discontinued it. Any info?

I concur, about the Komodo, would like to get 3 of them in the near future.
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^

+1

I also kinda laughed at the fact that he kept saying that "if you are going to drain the fluid and add a gpu block, you might as well go full custom.

That is only true if money is not a factor. A FULL CUSTOM kit with a cpu block, gpu block, two 240 rads, a HIGH QUALITY pump and reservoir, tubes and fittings, and fans you are EASILY EASILY looking at around $550, not including the RIDICULOUS shipping charges some of these companies charge lol.

With the H220 at $140 plus a $70 gpu block and $70 rad plus tubing and fittings, you are looking at under $300, call it $330 shipped. Not sure about you, but I don't see a full custom, $550+ water cooling setup being THAT MUCH better than the above described H220 expanded setup. Sure, it might be a couple degrees cooler, but I don't see it being better overall.

Another thing that got me was him having the balls to say that the fans of the stock H100i are silent, without even mentioning that the Helix fans are way more silent compared to those even at full speed!
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You dont find:
based on the rationale that the vast majority of these products is sold to first time users who do not generally replace the thermal compound
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As far as the DIY enthusiast user is concerned, our decision was based on the rationale that the H220 tubing can be replaced at will by such users.
conflicting? ok Im cool with that.

Why aren't you including what Gabe mentions about giving first time users the ability to mount it in the front of the case (top and almost any other position in a case), which you can't do with an H100i for a lot of mid / full size cases because of it's short hose.

Wouldn't a first time user benefit from having that many more options vesus being stuck with less choices?
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So I am curious as to know what future proofing Swiftech is offering with the H220. My Corsair H80 died on me a few weeks ago and I am not planning on using the replacement that I get from RMA. Out of the box is there a guarantee that the H220 will work with Intel's upcoming Haswell/Broadwell which will be operating in Intel's new socket 1150 format? Or are early adopters going to have to buy a new mounting bracket to fit the new socket when Haswell comes out? It seems that while AMD is sticking with the same socket type for the next couple of CPU iterations, Intel is once again going to be changing their socket. So if I choose to buy an H220, am I going to have to buy a separate bracket when I choose to upgrade to Intel's next socket generation. I am currently on LGA 1155 and am looking at upgrading next year when Broadwell is out and there is a die shrink, but I want to pick up the H220 now so I don't have to use a lousy stock cooler.
Socket 1150 is not changing how it will be mounting it will still use 1155/1156 mounts. Its really not a new socket, just die shrinkage.
    
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