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Would Microsoft EVER let Valve use Windows? No
Er? I could easily see Microsoft letting that happen. The question is whether or not Valve would be willing to license it, and they probably don't want to pay those fees (or use Windows 8, since Gabe apparently doesn't like it).
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Does ANYONE like it? Microsoft probably doesn't want competition when it comes to consoles or console-esqu devices. I'm sure it would significantly add to cost, when Linux is cheap as dirt.
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I'd imagine it'd be pretty close, Intel seems like it wants to fully beat AMD with Broadwell though.

Intel's biggest issue isn't on the horsepower of the chip itself but the driver support and properly implementing calls made on APIs.
Their Linux support on the HD 3000 iGPU was awful. While I've got a 3570k, I haven't had a chance to see how well it really plays with Linux yet on the GPU side. 

On the other hand, what I saw from what I saw earlier this year, I'm none too impressed.

According to the reddit IAMA, they know that and are working on it.
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wow so a console that plays 10 year old pc games on an outdated engine.....yay...good job guys...let's just take the next couple of days off...there's a sharma place down the street.

The engine is far from outdated. It has been updated up to this date, it just has the same name.

It's funny, people think Source is still the same engine it was in HL2...I reckon if they made it Source 2 for a major update and kept most of the code it'd shut most people up, which is what I'm pretty sure Crytek do. (Add updates to their engine like Source does, but then also increment the last number in its name by one)
    
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Does ANYONE like it? Microsoft probably doesn't want competition when it comes to consoles or console-esqu devices. I'm sure it would significantly add to cost, when Linux is cheap as dirt.
Microsoft has little reason not to essentially license Windows to another vendor as this thing is a PC in a box. More people using Windows is a good thing for Microsoft. The only ones making the decision not to use Windows on this device would likely be Valve (be that in a decision to minimize cost, or that they don't like the OEM terms, or whatever).
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While those are good points, it does seem as though valve is attempting to gain console market share. Windows would essentially make this a PC. I guess the people who want this to run windows could just buy a PC, but they probably already have one.
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First half is a quick recap of nVidia + Valve partnership and a bit of speculation.
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The engine is far from outdated. It has been updated up to this date, it just has the same name.
The engine is outdated. Just because incremental improvements have been made until recently doesn't mean it's not in dire need of fundamental rewriting.
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The engine is outdated. Just because incremental improvements have been made until recently doesn't mean it's not in dire need of fundamental rewriting.

I agree. Game engines (when written properly) can have fairly amazing shelf lives. The Doom3 engine was about 90% done when the last expansion was made to Quake 3. Doom3 (flawed as it may have been at launch) was running on an engine that was already years old at launch. The engine from NWN was tweaked and used to power The Witcher.

Engine =/= better graphics, better graphics == better graphics.
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Acually from first hand experiance with both platforms (HD4000 & 7660) with some minor overclocks on both the IGPU and RAM the HD 4000 can put up a pretty good fight against the APUs.
Now considering that the GT2 alone is going to be at least 20% faster than the HD 4000, I'm pretty sure that the GT3 is going to match and even out perform the A10-5800k + 7660D.
( NO FAN BOY - I love AMD APUs and only wish they progress faster!)

We are discussing next gen hardware in this context, AMD has a serious advantage in terms of driver capabilit, opengl compliance, and raw gpu performance. I don't see Intel catching up, but we can always be surprised. If intel does catch up, its going to be by virtue of sheer transistor density more then likely. The one thing I do like about intel over AMD in this space though, is that the intel gpu is far more open source friendly
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Valve is in a great situation with the Steambox. They're using mostly already developed software, have a decent game library ready (and potentially many developers waiting to see how successful it is), and hardware that is already developed.

In terms of development costs compared to the other consoles, I imagine it will hardly cost them anything as all the pieces are already there. Valve has the chance to change the gaming landscape with it and the upside is huge.
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