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to restate a missed question then,

Question will the core 2 duo's and quad core intel's do a variant of "hyper threading" on their multiple core's and hyper thread them, almost doubling performance for the same build? Just curious.

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They could, but it wouldn't be nearly as effective as it is on Prescott. It's better for them to add more cores.
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Remember, there's more to CPUs then a die shrink and more cache. I've also been hearing that the increase is more like 5 % on memory intensive apps. Intel will still own the gaming market with their superior floating point performance and large amount of L2 cache.
I've only heard of a die shrink and more cache and nothing else

AMD is rumoured to be demoing K8L in December so I guess we all need to wait and see how it performs
    
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I've only heard of a die shrink and more cache and nothing else

AMD is rumoured to be demoing K8L in December so I guess we all need to wait and see how it performs
i think its the brisbane which is just a shrunk down 90nm core.... not k8L
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Wow
AMD just got to 65nm
...like 6 months ago. That hog Dell has been sucking up all the chips.

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Now they're saying that 45nm is coming up within another 6 months or so.
12 months.

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Ohh, and C2D is vastly supurior to any AMD product. They are cheaper, faster, and more power efficient.
Not at stock. And lets face it, 90% of people run at stock.


Last I heard AMD was only 6 months behind Intel in regards to 45nm and quad-core. They're keeping up, relatively speaking, with a much smaller budget. You just have to wait 6 months after Intel's stuff comes out, and AMD will have something that beats it by 5% and costs a tad less. The only problem is if Intel can release something new that is better within that 6 month period...and lately they have proven they can. If they do, then AMD would release something new that combats something old, similar to these 65nm X2's competing with C2Q/D. There's no real competition in the super high-end until it's Quad core vs Quad core.
     
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hyper threading is a thing of the past. Intel will not use it on any new products in their current timeline.

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Not at stock. And lets face it, 90% of people run at stock.
Ummm... The E6400 at stock roughly matches the FX-60....
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hyper threading is a thing of the past. Intel will not use it on any new products in their current timeline.

Ummm... The E6400 at stock roughly matches the FX-60....
Except that 80% of Intel's sales are still on Pentiums. I'm not talking about smart educated buyers that are able to understand the concept of overclocking, but rather those that are looking for a GHZ number. I'm talking about the fools that make up the majority of the population.

Even considering that, only ~half the people buying Core 2 processors are overclocking them. Aside from the 20% of people buying high-end stuff, everyone else gets better value off AMD.
     
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Except that 80% of Intel's sales are still on Pentiums. I'm not talking about smart educated buyers that are able to understand the concept of overclocking, but rather those that are looking for a GHZ number. I'm talking about the fools that make up the majority of the population.

Even considering that, only ~half the people buying Core 2 processors are overclocking them. Aside from the 20% of people buying high-end stuff, everyone else gets better value off AMD.
You think 50 percent of Core 2 Duos are overclocked? More like 5 percent.
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Except that 80% of Intel's sales are still on Pentiums. I'm not talking about smart educated buyers that are able to understand the concept of overclocking, but rather those that are looking for a GHZ number. I'm talking about the fools that make up the majority of the population.

Even considering that, only ~half the people buying Core 2 processors are overclocking them. Aside from the 20% of people buying high-end stuff, everyone else gets better value off AMD.
Pentiums only make up about 40-50% of Intel shipments now (probably even less). Intel is selling out their supply of Pentiums far faster then they ever expected (same with C2D).

I am not quite sure where you are going with this. Are you saying that AMD is a better deal than Pentium? Well sure, go and find Intel's worst deal and compare it to AMDs best deal, and I am sure AMD is to win. But why do that?
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intel's worst deal > amd's best deal? or intels worst deal < amd's best deal? Now that's odd to say, I think, or i'm just confuddled.

Find me some stat's core 2 duo e6400 is on par *stock* with a FX 60, and the FX 62 will be respectfully tossed aside with an e6600 stock, and the quad 6700 / e6800 extreme... daemn, stock owns, then there's the oc'ing capeabilities that are amazing, people hitting 4.0ghz, 4.2 or more, stable oc's on the core 2 duo's. Is just impressive...O_O

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intel's worst deal > amd's best deal? or intels worst deal < amd's best deal? Now that's odd to say, I think, or i'm just confuddled.

Find me some stat's core 2 duo e6400 is on par *stock* with a FX 60, and the FX 62 will be respectfully tossed aside with an e6600 stock, and the quad 6700 / e6800 extreme... daemn, stock owns, then there's the oc'ing capeabilities that are amazing, people hitting 4.0ghz, 4.2 or more, stable oc's on the core 2 duo's. Is just impressive...O_O

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I just build my uncle a PC with a Core 2 Duo E6400. On Sandra Soft it was within 3% of the FX60 on the FPU and media tests.

Here are your benchmarks where the E6400 beats the FX-62 as well..





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