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please see this: http://xtremesystems.org/forums/show....php?p=1847055


quote from the thread: "My 6400C4 Dominator kit I ordered a few weeks ago uses Promos chips not the D9s according to Corsair's IC info thread.
Exactly what are Promos chips? Are they crap compared to Micron D9's?
Makes me happy to know I spent $300 on crap. hehe I haven't tested then yet btw"

another quote from the thread: "Ok now since this info came out I will never recommend any Corsair memory procust ever again to anyone. Charging $300+ for Promos crap is retarded. Corsair lost a customer for life.

Glad I didn't take the chance on them when I was undecided."


can anyone confirm that the TWIN2X2048-6400C4D are infact using PROMO chips? I thought they were using D9s??
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Actually, the PROMOS stuff can frequently clock to 1000 MHz @ 5-5-5 latencies @ 2.2V. It's decent overclocking memory. That's a 20% gain on the stock speeds, and I think having that kind of headroom is fairly decent.


First, let me thank you for being a loyal Corsair customer for years. Without guys like you around, our company wouldn't be here, and we do appreciate that.

As for the forums noise about the 6400C4Ds, I understand what's going on out there. In fact, I've posted as Redbeard on XtremeSystems and HardForums. I have been seeing this same argument pop up over the last few days, and I have to say, I'm a bit mystified.

We never sent out the 6400C4D for reviews. It's not a "high-end" part. It's great RAM for the majority of users, seeing as how it has some flexibility. Cas4 @ 800 MHz, Cas5 @ ~1000 MHz, and best of all, it's very reasonably priced.

We released the 6400C4D because people complained that the Dominators were too expensive. And they were right, for most people, the 8888C4DF and the 6400C3DF are out of their budget range for memory. We feel the Dominator is good technology, and getting it in the hands of people who wanted it is important. There's a reason the 6400C4 costs less than the 8500C5, and primarily that's because the Micron ICs cost a lot more than the PROMOS ICs, and the Microns are much harder to get.

So our options were either
1) Build all 6400C4Ds with Micron parts, in which case they would sell for almost the same price as the 8500C5D, and be ridiculously hard to find and out of stock almost everywhere.

2) Build them with PROMOS ICs, which perform the rated spec, and even ~20% more, and are less expensive and easier to find than the Microns. This means that more people can find them when they want to buy memory.

We never claimed all 6400C4s were made with Microns. We never pretended to. The 6400C4 has always been a downbin path for Microns that don't pass 8500 or 8888 or 9136 or 6400C3 speeds. It still is. But for the most part, PROMOS ICs perform very reasonably.

They don't perform as well as Microns, that's true. But then again, they're cheaper than Microns and more available than Microns, which means more people can buy them. We've always had a tiered structure for XMS.

For DDR1, our entry-level was the 3200C2, our low-latency part was the 3200XL or the 3500LL, and our high frequency parts were the 4400s.

For DDR2, our entry-level is the 6400C4, our low-latency part is the 6400C3, and our high frequency parts are the 8500s/8888s/9136s.

Again, I apologize for any confusion, but I really don't know how this confusion came to be when we never claimed it would be a micron-based part.

Most other manufacturers won't even tell you what ICs they use on a specific part, from my experience.

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=488435
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/show....php?p=1847055
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Yea its to bad I found this out after I bought mine.

Then again I only plan on OCing about 350mhz so it shouldnt be a problem.
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It's the idea of them changing the chips in mid-week to far cheaper modules.

I have been a strong supporter of Corsair. Just ask Nasgul.
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wow, great way to loose loyal customers. Kingston HyperX anyone?
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Uh oh. Is there anyway to tell what you have?
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Uh oh. Is there anyway to tell what you have?
Yes, if it overclocks for lousy, then it is very likely PROMOS. Look here:

http://www.houseofhelp.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=44365

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CM2X1024-6400C4D XMS6404v2.2 0645284-8 = PROMOS 667MHZ, CL5, .09u 64Mx8
CM2X1024-6400C4D XMS6404v1.1 0645065-1 = Micron, 64Mx8, 2-533 CL4, Rev D
SAME WEEK OF RELEASE

By the way Nasgul

I was Wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrroo oooooooooo,

Damn that's hard to say. I WAS WRONG!!! YOU WERE RIGHT!!!

Did I really say that
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Well if they never claimed it it's not their problem. Why are people pissed off when they are going to get the stock speeds? I understand that they weren't buying them for stock speeds, but I think this type of thing happens a lot and people tend to take it out on the company even when it isn't guaranteed to be one thing or another.

As an example OCZ sold the Platinum Elite series and they were guaranteed TCCD chips. The guaranteed TCCD chips were more expensive. Sometimes you could get the normal platinum with TCCD chips or other chips depending on what they were using at the time.

With RAM you are sometimes lucky and other times you get exactly what you pay for. Same goes for every other computer part out there. Should people be pissed off that not all ATI X800s have unlockable pipelines? no. Just as they shouldn't whine when they didn't get lucky and in on the D9s for less money than a guaranteed D9 set.
    
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Changing the ICs mid-week, not posting the changes in their IC list?
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CM2X1024-6400C4D XMS6404v2.2 0645284-8 = PROMOS 667MHZ, CL5, .09u 64Mx8
CM2X1024-6400C4D XMS6404v1.1 0645065-1 = Micron, 64Mx8, 2-533 CL4, Rev D

^where do I find that information on my RAM? On the RAM itself?
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It's on the sticker. The PROMOS was released the same week of the Micron D9's that had been out for a few months. Garnered a big name for Micron D9 IC's and then changed them to far cheaper ram whilst keeping the same price and not mentioning the change.
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