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Doubt it, it would be more like 2 680's, which blow a single 690 out of said water...

Please provide recent real game benchmarks showing 680sli blowing out a 690. Barely an advantage here.
I wouldn't call a few fps blowing anyone out.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5805/nvidia-geforce-gtx-690-review-ultra-expensive-ultra-rare-ultra-fast/11
 
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Please provide recent real game benchmarks showing 680sli blowing out a 690. Barely an advantage here.
I wouldn't call a few fps blowing anyone out.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5805/nvidia-geforce-gtx-690-review-ultra-expensive-ultra-rare-ultra-fast/11

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Please provide recent real game benchmarks showing 680sli blowing out a 690. Barely an advantage here.
I wouldn't call a few fps blowing anyone out.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5805/nvidia-geforce-gtx-690-review-ultra-expensive-ultra-rare-ultra-fast/11



148 FPS vs 141 FPS, 5% advantage for 680 SLI over 690, should be obvious due to the downclocked GK104 on 690.
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148 FPS vs 141 FPS, 5% advantage for 680 SLI over 690, should be obvious due to the downclocked GK104 on 690.

If you can see the difference between 141fps and 148fps you sir are a Wizard. I'll stick to a single card in my system. Much easier to sell when upgrading. And the 690 is such a sexy looking card. I'll take the less heat and better power efficiency over that 7fps any day. Once you break 120fps in any game your pretty much golden anyways.
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if it generate more heat out of case compare to my gtx 590, then consider it sold. my room needs to be warmer still.

the 590 is a keeper. for a very long time. main reason it's for it's thermal properties.

they needa start putting 4 gpu on one card and shove it in a mITX case lol.
    
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Please provide recent real game benchmarks showing 680sli blowing out a 690. Barely an advantage here.
I wouldn't call a few fps blowing anyone out.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5805/nvidia-geforce-gtx-690-review-ultra-expensive-ultra-rare-ultra-fast/11

RFC, there are a few things to consider here - some of which i've already outlined earlier.

First, the overclocking headroom of the 690 is shaky at best. I've owned a 690 and while it is a great card, it is not a good card for overclocking. Generally most 690s will boost to 1100-1150 out of the box, maybe more if you're REALLY lucky - but getting more than this is not likely for two reasons. First, the card does get hot when you play a demanding game with vsync turned off. Second, this means that kepler throttle will kick in at 70C and negate any type of overclock that you attempted.

So let's say on average that you get a 690 that will boost to about 1120 in games. You can buy aftermarket 680s such as the MSI lightning which will boost far far higher and never run into kepler throttle territory - my MSI lightnings have throttle disabled in the BIOS, in fact.

Once you factor boost, kepler throttle, and the fact that the 690 can get hot - it's easy to see why some 680 sli solutions would have the potential to be appreciably better in terms of performance. I would say that the best aftermarket 680s can overclock 1300 without breaking a sweat, while you would be lucky to get a 690 to do 1200. And even if you did get 1200, some games with vsync turned off will cause the 690 to head into kepler throttle territory which will negate any type of overclock.

Again - the 690 is a great card. Make no mistake, it's a fine piece of engineering. The 690 has some advantages over 680 sli: its only 2 slots, and it is probably quieter. That alone is worth it to many people, who wants a PC that sounds like a jet? However, the 680 sli does have the potential to perform better; especially if you have good aftermarket cards (again, such as the MSI lightning)

As an example of how a good aftermarket 680 can perform, see this chart and compare a 1300mhz 680 to a stock 680:


Edited by xoleras - 1/8/13 at 3:45pm
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RFC, there are a few things to consider here - some of which i've already outlined earlier.
First, the overclocking headroom of the 690 is shaky at best. I've owned a 690 and while it is a great card, it is not a good card for overclocking. Generally most 690s will boost to 1100-1150 out of the box, maybe more if you're REALLY lucky - but getting more than this is not likely for two reasons. First, the card does get hot when you play a demanding game with vsync turned off. Second, this means that kepler throttle will kick in at 70C and negate any type of overclock that you attempted.
So let's say on average that you get a 690 that will boost to about 1120 in games. You can buy aftermarket 680s such as the MSI lightning which will boost far far higher and never run into kepler throttle territory - my MSI lightnings have throttle disabled in the BIOS, in fact.
Once you factor boost, kepler throttle, and the fact that the 690 can get hot - it's easy to see why some 680 sli solutions would have the potential to be appreciably better in terms of performance. I would say that the best aftermarket 680s can overclock 1300 without breaking a sweat, while you would be lucky to get a 690 to do 1200. And even if you did get 1200, some games with vsync turned off will cause the 690 to head into kepler throttle territory which will negate any type of overclock.
Again - the 690 is a great card. Make no mistake, it's a fine piece of engineering. The 690 has some advantages over 680 sli: its only 2 slots, and it is probably quieter. That alone is worth it to many people, who wants a PC that sounds like a jet? However, the 680 sli does have the potential to perform better; especially if you have good aftermarket cards (again, such as the MSI lightning)
As an example of how a good aftermarket 680 can perform, see this chart and compare a 1300mhz 680 to a stock 680:

Since I use my rig for gaming only there is really not many advantages to overclocking a already top tier gpu. The 5-10fps increase is not worth voiding the warranty of the card as well as the many other issues that arises with overclocking a gpu (artifacts, temp increases etc.) Frying a thousand dollar video card is not on my list of things to do. The 690 is more then enough for 1080p 120hz with stock clocks. Thanks for your input it was very informal.
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Whoever designed that abomination should be fired.

A single 120/140 rad for this monster? Really? Go bang your head on the wall some more!
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I used 7970 xfire for a long time prior to getting 680s and I had no MS. I really feel like its specific to a couple of games like skyrim - I never had such issues. Skyrim definitely runs better on nvidia, but you can also say the same for some titles on AMD. Shrug.
Still, I find it silly that this thread has devolved into AMD vs nvidia. Again. Whyyy.

I agree with this. BF3 was pretty good with no stutter with a 7970. But why get a card that's great in some games and sucks in other games? Might at as well get what's best for all games you want to play. Those are my two main games right now (BF3 and Skyrim). OC'd GTX 670s do it right. thumb.gif

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Problem is the low frame rates of the 680 make games run choppy as heck so it's better to go 7970. Ever try to play a game with low fps? Chop chop chop. The "smoothness" myth is like a toyota corolla owner talking about how he lost the race against a Ferrari but he managed a consistent 80mps so he he was smooth while losing. Meanwhile the Ferrari bounced around between 150 and 200 and beat the snot out of the corolla but the ride wasn't smoooooth.

You sir, need to stop the crack. Drugs are bad, m'kay? tongue.gif
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Whoever designed that abomination should be fired.
A single 120/140 rad for this monster? Really? Go bang your head on the wall some more!

It is an extra thick rad and the water loop on the unit cools ONLY the two GPU's. The fan on the card itself is used to cool the VRAM, PCB, and other components, on a normal card the fan cools everything.
So temps and cooling should be rather good, considering it is a dual cooling system.
    
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