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They can try, and I'm cheering for them. However, a lot of difficulty with this is getting developers onboard to develop the software that will take advantage of this technology. So while the hardware is there, the software is not. It is hard to write multithreaded programs - even for a puny quad core. How long will it take for developers to master something as advanced as HSA?

I think AMD and the other members of HSA really needs to market this technology. As a developer, I would love to get some experience doing stuff like this. It would be very interesting to see how much an performance improvement if software began to use hardware appropriately.

AMD is being smart in getting ready for this move. They are invested heavily in the transition to HSA and are developing tools and providing assistance for this. If they follow through decently this can be a huge win for both AMD and consumers. AMD is having a tough time battling single thread performance with Intel, but they are doing well in multicore. By trying to assist the market to move to multithreading and by supporting it well, they hope it can take hold and be widely used. But this isn't simple or easy, thus why we've seen stagnation in software support for multithread. AMD wants to remove this roadblock by making the programming and development just as easy as current methods(for single thread). They want to push software ahead and make full use of the hardware. This will help AMD close the gap fairly quickly if not jump ahead (optimistic). Though I'm sure with Intels talent and resources they can easily transition to a core race if needed. Either way, I'm a little excited to see what happens in the next few years.

I'm just gonna cross my fingers.
Edited by Fuell - 2/17/13 at 7:56pm
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It sounds good, in paper. Let's hope it brings Intel a serious headache, we need more price drops and better hardware!
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If you have been following HSA at all, AMD has been developing tools to make it easy for developers to program for HSA, such that it would be no different or very little different from what they're used to now.

That's the whole point. I'd have to be following it to get news on it. While I don't condone in-your-face advertising, its hard to get into it without knowing about it.
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AMD is being smart in getting ready for this move. They are invested heavily in the transition to HSA and are developing tools and providing assistance for this. If they follow through decently this can be a huge win for both AMD and consumers. AMD is having a tough time battling single thread performance with Intel, but they are doing well in multicore. By trying to assist the market to move to multithreading and by supporting it well, they hope it can take hold and be widely used. But this isn't simple or easy, thus why we've seen stagnation in software support for multithread. AMD wants to remove this roadblock by making the programming and development just as easy as current methods. They want to push software ahead and make full use of the hardware. This will help AMD close the gap fairly quickly if not jump ahead (optimistic). Though I'm sure with Intels talent and resources they can easily transition to a core race if needed. Either way, I'm a little excited to see what happens in the next few years.

I hope this happens fast.
Edited by Sequences - 1/15/13 at 5:23pm
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AMD during its CES 2013 press conference unveiled that the successor to the Piledriver based ‘Richland’ APU codenamed ‘Kaveri’ arrives in 2013. That’s right folks, AMD would be launching its next-generation Kaveri APU with steamroller cores within this year. This means we would be looking at two APU platforms in 2013, first is the already confirmed ‘Richland APU’ which is currently being shipped to OEMs and the second is the 28nm Kaveri APU which features steamroller core architecture.
Third Generation FX-CPUs with Steamroller architecture in late 2013 or early 2014.

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can somebody tell me what this exactly means ..

so Kaveri is the 3rd generation of the a10, a8 & a6

what would exactly be upgraded over the trinity apus now? more ghz? better integrated gpu?

i'm not really familiar with apu's
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By trying to assist the market to move to multithreading and by supporting it well, they hope it can take hold and be widely used. But this isn't simple or easy, thus why we've seen stagnation in software support for multithread. AMD wants to remove this roadblock by making the programming and development just as easy as current methods. They want to push software ahead and make full use of the hardware.
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That's the whole point. I'd have to be following it to get news on it. While I don't condone in-your-face advertising, its hard to get into it without knowing about it.
I hope this happens fast.

Good news regarding that - according to Tom's newest "Best Gaming CPUs for the money", older quad-core CPUs are now faster in games than newer dual-core CPUs due to better multi-threaded support in games:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106.html

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can somebody tell me what this exactly means ..

so Kaveri is the 3rd generation of the a10, a8 & a6

what would exactly be upgraded over the trinity apus now? more ghz? better integrated gpu?

i'm not really familiar with apu's

To quote from another thread:
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Kaveri features Steamroller x86 cores, and it's supposed to boost performance by quite a bit, each integer core will now have its own decoder. Also, the GPU will feature GCN cores.
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All new. 28nm. steamroller. GCN. HSA.

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My general reaction to this news was "Yeeees. YEEEEEEES!" Now what I'm truly hoping for are motherboard makers seeing enough potential in Socket FM2 to care about sticking more than 4+2 phases on a Micro ATX version if it. Niche products do tend to only spring up where the money is, after all. Oh, and also it ought to keep two PCIe slots a la ASRock FM2A85X Extreme 4-M.

Make a ROG Crosshair VI Gene and I will surrender my wage slave wages to you for the rest of my life, ASUS!
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My general reaction to this news was "Yeeees. YEEEEEEES!" Now what I'm truly hoping for are motherboard makers seeing enough potential in Socket FM2 to care about sticking more than 4+2 phases on a Micro ATX version if it. Niche products do tend to only spring up where the money is, after all. Oh, and also it ought to keep two PCIe slots a la ASRock FM2A85X Extreme 4-M.

Make a ROG Crosshair VI Gene and I will surrender my wage slave wages to you for the rest of my life, ASUS!
Dont really need more then 4+2 with an apu, you can't draw that much power through 4 cores and 384 shaders (supposedly 512 with kaveri) even when overclocked to worry about overloading 4+2 with quality phases and a heat sink.
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Third Generation FX-CPUs with Steamroller architecture in late 2013 or early 2014.

Good stuff AMD, keep developing that FX chip. Soon we will have the FX chips we true wanted all along. thumb.gif
 
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So, we ARE getting Steamroller and GCN cores!?

I might have to put the A10-5700 to good sleep before I even intended to do so!! biggrin.gif
   
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Dont really need more then 4+2 with an apu, you can't draw that much power through 4 cores and 384 shaders (supposedly 512 with kaveri) even when overclocked to worry about overloading 4+2 with quality phases and a heat sink.

Ah yes, a heat sink AND quality phases. That was apparently too tall of an order for most mATX AM3+ boards. Why the need for 6+2 or 8+2 on ATX size FM2 boards then?
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