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Python is actually a great language for web application development, made even better if you use a framework/library like django. If starting a new project that doesn't depend on anything done in another language(i.e. PHP or Perl), Python is probably the best language for web apps anyways.

Looks like python is a solid choice for me then biggrin.gif.

So now that I know for sure which language I'll be coding with, what would you guys recommend for a web server. I honestly didn't even think about the host redface.gif.
I don't even know how the combo of code - html - host/server works. (I'm such a noob rolleyes.gif). I know that if I host myself (not that I know how to though) that if people access the page, my download limit would be reached in a less than a month... so much more to learn and know smile.gif

When I hear web server, I kinda think of running code from a computer connected with an open port to acccess that server from outside, just like a minecraft server. lol
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If you're looking at running your own server, Apache and nginx are both very popular http servers. Your best bet is to use GNU/Linux as that will be what most of the documentation is for. If you'd rather pay for hosting, just do a google search(make sure your host supports Python if that's what you're using before you sign up).
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If you're inclined to learn, get yourself a Linux VPS, install Apache and it's Python module and go to town. Make sure you Google how to secure it properly (firewall, lock down SSH with private keys, etc.)

If not, then look for a host with Python and anything else you need and start writing code.

Basically a web server is just a program that returns content on a given port (almost always 80 or 443) based on a request from a client across the Internet.

In the case of a web application the request generally calls a script on the server which does something, usually extracting data from a SQL DB, and then uses that data to build some HTML which is then delivered to the client.

I'd 100% go the Linux route.
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If you're looking at running your own server, Apache and nginx are both very popular http servers. Your best bet is to use GNU/Linux as that will be what most of the documentation is for. If you'd rather pay for hosting, just do a google search(make sure your host supports Python if that's what you're using before you sign up).

I'm going for Apache. I'm not really going to publish it yet for the public, so it won't hurt the monthly bill so much ;D it's just for reviewing the page in case I'm putting it up.
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If you're inclined to learn, get yourself a Linux VPS, install Apache and it's Python module and go to town. Make sure you Google how to secure it properly (firewall, lock down SSH with private keys, etc.)

If not, then look for a host with Python and anything else you need and start writing code.

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In the case of a web application the request generally calls a script on the server which does something, usually extracting data from a SQL DB, and then uses that data to build some HTML which is then delivered to the client.

I'd 100% go the Linux route.

Looks like I've got some work on my hands when free time is available biggrin.gif thanks a lot guys! I also heard that there are quite a few existing SQL databases around (published for the public), not sure if I should make one myself (no exp at all with SQL, like, none, zero, nada) or just grab somebody elses code (which I rather don't, since I'll be constrained to their structure of the database)
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I'm going for Apache. I'm not really going to publish it yet for the public, so it won't hurt the monthly bill so much ;D it's just for reviewing the page in case I'm putting it up.
Looks like I've got some work on my hands when free time is available biggrin.gif thanks a lot guys! I also heard that there are quite a few existing SQL databases around (published for the public), not sure if I should make one myself (no exp at all with SQL, like, none, zero, nada) or just grab somebody elses code (which I rather don't, since I'll be constrained to their structure of the database)

MySQL is my recommendation, the engine itself is free. But you create the actual database yourself based off your needs. Don't use one created by someone else. The engine and the DB are two totally discrete entries, not sure if you understand that. You roll your own DB not your own DBMS :-)

There are many other free database engines, but as I said, MySQL is what I use and recommend.

I highly recommend learning as no web app is without a database.

SQL is just the query/manipulation language though, database design and things like BCNF are a lot more important. So I suggest getting a good book such as "Database Concepts" and learning.
    
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There's usually a GUI you can also work through when working with databases to make things easier.
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There's usually a GUI you can also work through when working with databases to make things easier.

True, the MySQL CLI is not beginner friendly, if you want a GUI use MySQL Workbench or phpMyAdmin (but don't use phpMyAdmin for production use)...
    
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If you opt for MySQL, get a hold of phpmyadmin - This provides a web based front-end for the MySQL server, allowing you to configure the server, create/edit/remove databases and test SQL queries. Phpmyadmin requires PHP to run. I'm not sure of there is an equivalent system for other server-side languages (.Net, java or cold fusion).

http://www.phpmyadmin.net
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MySQL is my recommendation, the engine itself is free. But you create the actual database yourself based off your needs. Don't use one created by someone else. The engine and the DB are two totally discrete entries, not sure if you understand that. You roll your own DB not your own DBMS :-)

There are many other free database engines, but as I said, MySQL is what I use and recommend.

I highly recommend learning as no web app is without a database.

SQL is just the query/manipulation language though, database design and things like BCNF are a lot more important. So I suggest getting a good book such as "Database Concepts" and learning.

I believe I'll have a course called 'Databases' next year, like you said, I wasn't sure about the difference at first tongue.gif. It's all still pretty new for me, but I guess just starting somewhere will make things clearer. I'll take up your advice again and have a look at MySQL.
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There's usually a GUI you can also work through when working with databases to make things easier.
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True, the MySQL CLI is not beginner friendly, if you want a GUI use MySQL Workbench or phpMyAdmin (but don't use phpMyAdmin for production use)...

Hmmm, thanks for mentioning the GUI smile.gif if the CLI doesn't work out, I guess I could go with the GUI thumb.gif
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If you opt for MySQL, get a hold of phpmyadmin - This provides a web based front-end for the MySQL server, allowing you to configure the server, create/edit/remove databases and test SQL queries. Phpmyadmin requires PHP to run. I'm not sure of there is an equivalent system for other server-side languages (.Net, java or cold fusion).

http://www.phpmyadmin.net

Hmm I see, thanks for sharing ! biggrin.gif sounds like a really useful addition (:




Thanks for the great information! I think this should get me started (more or less). If not, I'll have a good look again at the replies here or start a seperate little thread ;D rep given where suited thumb.gif
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You're welcome man, web programming is very cool and I love it. I'm sure you will too!
    
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