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Interesting, how does 8 AMD core compare against 8 Intel threads in multitasking?

I guess the closest we can get is pitting the 3930K against the FX8350 and artificially add two more cores.
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I'm not getting worked up, i'm simply pointing out that them testing in 720p would make absolutely no sense. No one buys a 7870 + FX8350/i5 3570k then games at 720p...

Right, but then we're comparing individual CPUs here, not entire gaming systems. In order to determine which processor can really handle the physics best it makes sense to run CPU bound benchmark.
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Right, but then we're comparing individual CPUs here, not entire gaming systems. In order to determine which processor can really handle the physics best it makes sense to run CPU bound benchmark.

But if those tests don't translate to real world performance benefits, what use are they for the average gamer?

Also, he did test at 720p, only he was testing streaming while playing at 720p. And in that situation, the FX won over the i5.
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I guess the closest we can get is pitting the 3930K against the FX8350 and artificially add two more cores.

AFAIK 3770K have 8 threads and would be a perfect competitor against 8350 in a 8 AMD Core vs 8 Intel Thread multitasking contest.
Edited by sherlock - 1/10/13 at 10:46pm
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But if those tests don't translate to real world performance benefits, what use are they for the average gamer?

Also, he did test at 720p, only he was testing streaming while playing at 720p. And in that situation, the FX won over the i5.

Right but the avg. gamer is so biased towards Intel that we AMD peeps need to be as thorough as we can with our benchmarks. I know it doesn't make any difference IRL but try telling that to an Intel fanboy.
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Right but the avg. gamer is so biased towards Intel that we AMD peeps need to be as thorough as we can with our benchmarks. I know it doesn't make any difference IRL but try telling that to an Intel fanboy.

However, it's not that it's showing no differences, it's showing that the AMD processor is beating the Intel ones.
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Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I'm not sure you understood my point which is that your AMD powered quad gpu system is only equivalent to an Intel powered tri gpu system. Make of it what you will but this sure shows a gap between the cpus to me.
tsm106 --- 3930K / 5.1GHz ---- 3 x HD R7970, 1125 / 1560 ---- 163.8 ---- 4126





For kicks, I ran it in quad. Love the pcie switches on this RIVE.


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Finally an apples to apples comparison. Good stuff, tsm. thumb.gif
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Just saw this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu8Sekdb-IE

Hope it's true, as we love competition.
Not to be "Captain Buzzkill," but his results are all over the place. In his 1080p Trine 2 test the 3770K got 47.28fps and the 3820 got 31.96fps? The 3770K is almost 50% faster... just about broke my BS meter with that one.

Aside from the fact that he's testing CPUs in a completely GPU limited scenario (single 7850 @ 1080p & 1440), his results have no consistency. He mentions at the end they OC'd the FX but he doesn't say by how much, and never gives clock speeds for any of the Intel chips...

That review is far from transparent... and I usually like Logan's vids hmmsmiley02.gif
Edited by Booty Warrior - 1/10/13 at 11:15pm
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Not to be "Captain Buzzkill," but his results are all over the place. In his 1080p Trine 2 test the 3770K got 47.28fps and the 3820 got 31.96fps? The 3770K is almost 50% faster... just about broke my BS meter with that one.

Aside from the fact that he's testing CPUs in a completely GPU limited scenario (single 7850 @ 1080p & 1440), his results have no consistency. He mentions at the end they OC'd the FX but he doesn't say by how much, and never gives clock speeds for any of the Intel chips...

That review is far from transparent... and I usually like Logan's vids hmmsmiley02.gif

If you look at the page on his website, it says that all the CPU's were at stock speed. The website is also much more detailed, so idk. I'll admit it does seem a little weird in some places during the video, but going on the website countered that.

I'd post the link, but I don't remember if the rules allow you to post links to another forum or not. The link can be found in the video description.
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I don't get it....

The PCIe 3.0 lanes will still be bottlenecked by the PCIe 2.0 lanes.


48x PCIe 3.0 lanes => 32x PCIe 2.0 lanes....


It's still only going to give you 16 GB/s since that's what the 48.4 GB/s controller sits on.

Not catching you here.

You mean that if you run it in 2.0 mode, it will reduce the bandwidth? Or that if you run in 3.0 mode there will be no bandwidth improvement?
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Right but the avg. gamer is so biased towards Intel that we AMD peeps need to be as thorough as we can with our benchmarks. I know it doesn't make any difference IRL but try telling that to an Intel fanboy.

Won't matter, a 3570K is still getting 30-50% better framerates according to some people lachen.gif


It's true that the Ivies and Sandies are faster than the Piledrivers, no one's denying that. But in no way they're the slow asses they depict them to be. Hell, not even my Phenom is that slow.
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Not catching you here.

You mean that if you run it in 2.0 mode, it will reduce the bandwidth? Or that if you run in 3.0 mode there will be no bandwidth improvement?
Won't matter, a 3570K is still getting 30-50% better framerates according to some people lachen.gif


It's true that the Ivies and Sandies are faster than the Piledrivers, no one's denying that. But in no way they're the slow asses they depict them to be. Hell, not even my Phenom is that slow.

What that means is this:

There's a bridge chip on the motherboard that supplies PCI-E 3.0 lanes to the GPUs and whatever else is put in those slots. The GPUs and whatever else is in those slots will communicate with that chip at PCI-E 3.0 speeds (if the GPU supports PCI-E 3.0), and thus be able to communicate with other GPUs connected to the bridge chip at PCI-E 3.0 speeds as well (might or might not be useful for SLI/crossfire).

However, that chip is connected to another chip on the motherboard, and that is the 990FX northbridge. 990FX only has PCI-E 2.0 lanes, and thus will communicate with the bridge chip at 2.0 speeds. So communication between the CPU and GPUs will only happen at the speed of the slowest part, and that's the PCI-E 2.0 northbridge connections.
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