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1. What's your grip style?
Palm

2. What's your sensitivity?
800-1800 DPI depending on the game

3. What's your maximum budget?
$100

4. Do you want additional buttons?
Yes, more buttons are preferable, but mouse button 4 and 5 are a must.

5. What games do you play?
FPS, RTS, RPG, MMO, action, indie... pretty much anything.

6. Do you mind about prediction?
Not really, but prefer not having it.

7. Other relevant information:
-no razer
-I have small/medium size hands. Top of middle finger to palm is a little over 7''
-must be comfortable and non-fatiguing for long hours of gaming.
-high quality, consistant build quaility (don't want to be unlucky to receive a bad batch), and built to last
-should the need arise, good customer service and RMA process


Hello everyone,
I think I'm in a middle of a mice crises here. I simply cannot decide what mice to get. My good old MX500 died on me, and I've been using the G500 for the past few months and realized that it wasn't the right mouse for me. There were just too many little things about the it that kept me from making it my everyday mouse. So in the past week I went to my local retailer and bought 3 different mice to try: Roccat Savu, Kone+ and Steelseries Sensei.

The Savu was just too small for me to palm grip for any extended duration. All in all, I think the Kone+ has a lot going for it, especially its software and easyshift feature. The only thing that worries me is the durability (or lack of) and customer support. I've read that this mice is plagued with a scroll wheel problem (which BTW is the loudest mouse wheel I've ever experienced) and that Roccat sometimes doesn't back up their warranties.

The Sensei was a joy to use. I enjoyed nearly everything about it. The main hiccup was that I couldn't save my profile's macros onto the onboard memory. The only way I was able to get my macros to work was if I had the steelseries engine running in the background (it eats up a lot of resources). The other issue was that sometimes when I apply a change in CPI or other settings, the tracking would be lagging. I also wish that there'd be at least 3 different DPI settings instead of just 2.

I'm torn between what I want and what I'm willing to give up. Optical mice has the advantage of having more 'perfect' sensors, but those that do lack in extra features. I also like the fact that optical sensors are less sensitive to dirt and surface imperfections and track best on cloth pads (yay!). On the other hand, what I like most about laser mice are the extra features--more buttons, DPI settings, and software macros. But they're more picky about their pads and generally perform their best on hard surfaces (boo!) which consequently wear down on their feet faster.

The questions that I often weigh in my mind:
1) How important is having a 'perfect' sensor? Is this mostly a FPS thing?
2) Do I really need more than 5 buttons? I spent years using my old MX500 and that served me well through all my games including MMORPGs. AFAIK all mice that have 'perfect' sensors have no more than 5 usable buttons.
3) Is acceleration all that noticeable and does it really matter to me, especially when I (admittedly) never knew anything of it until a year ago?

With this in mind I've come up with a short list of possible mice:
Optical:
-Zowie AM-GS, EC1, 2
-Roccat Kova+
-CM Storm Recon

Laser:
-SS sensei, sensei RAW, Sensei MLG (ADNS-9800)
-Roccat Kone+
-Mionix Naos 5000, 8200 (ADNS-9800, I think)
Edited by Ratooth - 1/10/13 at 5:59pm
post #2 of 29
Almost a year ago I was ready for a new mouse. I finally narrowed it down to a G9x on fleabay, bnib but a tad cheaper than stores. It took a little bit of time playing with it and adjusting it to my liking. I really love this thing now. I just can't find any reasonable complaint about it at all. It has on board memory/ profiles.
I always recommend people taking at look at it because of the quality.

Good luck with your hunt.
     
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post #3 of 29
Hello there

i would say you go ahead with the following
G400 No Pridiction
G500 minimum pridiction
G700 minimum pridiction

if you want a mouse with lights and whistels you have to include razers with the others mentioned Above

With Regards,
post #4 of 29
afer reading youre post,

I would say logitech g400 or zowie AM.
Because well youre are a palm gripper.
Want side buttons.
Want quality, nothing what will break rather fast, and some good support if needed.
Both are optical with no accel.

So they come first, after those 2 you can pick laser mice because you say you dont notice acceleration.
I would say steelserie raw, Roccat kone, and mionix for laser.

The rest is up to you, g400 is good pricewise. Zowie am has good lod "lift off distance" but has no omron switches but huano's so you have to press harder to click.

And the laser mice well, there con is the acceleration wink.gif
But some people dont see it as a con its a preference.

So its now al about wich shape you like more for youre palm grip, dont pick cm storm spawn you mentioned in youre post its a clawgrip mouse. Logitech g400 has a lip on the side some people find it aweful some dont. And zowie am is just a plain hybrid shape so noting for youre fingers to lay on on the right side of the mouse. Mionix mice are larger heavier but seem to be super comfy.

I hope this info will help you a it further in youre quest finding youre mouse smile.gif
post #5 of 29
You could get the ss sensei if you want more features otherwise most other laser mice don't offer much over the optical ones anyway, zowie mice are very minimalistic and don't have any extra features or whatsoever

Why not try the new deathadder, it might be bad for you if you go to lans and such because of synapse 2.0 :/, but otherwise I guess its a pretty good buy although I do hear that the side buttons and the scroll wheel are cheaper models than the previous adder, perhaps skylit can give more light on to this matter but I would go for the new adder anyway because of the sick light scheme and the side rubber grips.
post #6 of 29
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Originally Posted by bungycord View Post

Hello there

i would say you go ahead with the following
G400 No Pridiction
G500 minimum pridiction
G700 minimum pridiction

if you want a mouse with lights and whistels you have to include razers with the others mentioned Above

With Regards,

Not sure if the a9500 has any prediction whatsoever. :s
Minimum prediction would be those pixart 3305 sensors they have some little prediction in them, which probably would not bother anybody in game unless he/she has ocd.

You could try the roccat kone pure I think it looks way better than the regular kone and its smaller and lighter as well if that is suits you.
post #7 of 29
G700 feels great on the palm, has plenty of buttons + wireless and easy to use software from logitech. Only $70 on amazon http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Wireless-Gaming-Mouse-G700/dp/B003VAM32E.
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post #8 of 29
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Thanks for your replies.

I forgot to mention that I really don't care for all those flashy lights, adjustable weights and what not, and I wired is the only way to go for me. And they must be available on Amazon, because that's where I'll be making the purchase since I got a holiday gift card.

Between the G400 and DA, I'd take the G400 in a heartbeat. Razer products has a rough history on durability and more importantly, the shape of the DA just feels a little weird to me.

From the looks of them, I think I'd like the shape of the Zowie mice. However, what I dislike is that they only have 3 preset DPIs. Besides the shape, is there any technical and mechanical difference between the AM, AM-GS, EC1, and EC2?

I guess what I really have to figure out first is whether I want to go optical or laser. I think I pretty much have my optical mice narrowed down to either the G400 or any of the Zowie mice. And as far as laser mice, there are still a lot of options to choose from. Each ones has their strengths and weaknesses.

Optical:
G400
Zowie

Laser:
-G9X
(+) Logitech durability and customer service
(+) adjustable grips though I'll probably mostly be using the wide grip most of the time
*not sure about:
(-) scroll wheel quality. Because of the tilting feature, the scroll wheel on my G500 feels loose. I was never able to reliably press it down.
(-) since I've yet to demo one, judging from the looks I'm not sure if I'll dig the shape

-SS Sensei
(+) great shape and comfortable
(+) buttons have a great tactful feel to them
(+) ExactSens feature
(-) kinda buggy at times
(-) software uses a lot of resources when running

-Roccat Kone+
(+) comfortable
(+) extra buttons
(+) Easyshift feature
(+) Great software
(-) loud scroll wheel
(-) spotty durability

-Mionix 8200
(+) looks very ergonomic
post #9 of 29
I owned myself the following mice,

wmo
Razr Copperhead
Logitech g9x
SS Xai
SS Sensei
Cm Storm Spawn
Roccat savu

and really what I can say about the sensei is that is just the xai with another coating and some led's.
The coating was aweful for me because when its hot in the summer its get slippery.
So if you are going for the Steelseries go for raw wink.gif

I loved the G9x from logitech, but a friend of mine bought it from me.
Because well I wanted to try something different biggrin.gif
But really I shouldn't have done that in my mouse career because the shape and sensor where perfect till I would get the cm storm spawn and now the roccat savu.
A couple of years later.
And the friend who bought it is still playing with it so the mouse is durable.
I bought they mouse back in the day when the second version of the g9x was released.

So if you see my history with mice its makes some sense to go optical tongue.gif
Edited by CtrlAltel1te - 1/10/13 at 10:29am
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Originally Posted by Ratooth View Post

Thanks for your replies.

I forgot to mention that I really don't care for all those flashy lights, adjustable weights and what not, and I wired is the only way to go for me. And they must be available on Amazon, because that's where I'll be making the purchase since I got a holiday gift card.

Between the G400 and DA, I'd take the G400 in a heartbeat. Razer products has a rough history on durability and more importantly, the shape of the DA just feels a little weird to me.

From the looks of them, I think I'd like the shape of the Zowie mice. However, what I dislike is that they only have 3 preset DPIs. Besides the shape, is there any technical and mechanical difference between the AM, AM-GS, EC1, and EC2?

I guess what I really have to figure out first is whether I want to go optical or laser. I think I pretty much have my optical mice narrowed down to either the G400 or any of the Zowie mice. And as far as laser mice, there are still a lot of options to choose from. Each ones has their strengths and weaknesses.

Optical:
G400
Zowie

Laser:
-G9X
(+) Logitech durability and customer service
(+) adjustable grips though I'll probably mostly be using the wide grip most of the time
*not sure about:
(-) scroll wheel quality. Because of the tilting feature, the scroll wheel on my G500 feels loose. I was never able to reliably press it down.
(-) since I've yet to demo one, judging from the looks I'm not sure if I'll dig the shape

-SS Sensei
(+) great shape and comfortable
(+) buttons have a great tactful feel to them
(+) ExactSens feature
(-) kinda buggy at times
(-) software uses a lot of resources when running

-Roccat Kone+
(+) comfortable
(+) extra buttons
(+) Easyshift feature
(+) Great software
(-) loud scroll wheel
(-) spotty durability

-Mionix 8200
(+) looks very ergonomic

I think the deathadder has better components inside compared to the g400, not too sure but what IM sure of is the fact that entry level logitechs have cheap hardware.
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