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Originally Posted by Darkpriest667 View Post

I'm not sure why people don't understand these same two companies now obviously show signs of price fixing related to the flooding. (check YoY profit margins less demand less units shipped yet each company posted 10 to 15% gains in profit)


I am also not sure why people fail to grasp that losing a job is not the end of the world. It's not permanent. If you have marketable skills you will find another job.


I am not a monster I dont want people to lose their livelihood. I also don't want companies to be allowed to exploit the market with no consequences. You won't see me buying a HDD again. I've already siad my next storage needs will be entirely met by SSDs and it doesn't look like I'll be paying that much to do it.

You don't have the slightest clue how hard it is to find jobs nowadays do you?

Intel has been convicted of price fixing. Why are you using a 2600k?

Most of us do not have $600 to spend on a 1tb SSD. Many of us would rather get a small 120 or 240gb SSD, a 7970/680, and a 2-3tb hard drive instead of a $600 SSD.

Also, that price fixing is no longer relevant. The hard drive shortage actually sparked a dramatic increase in demand, not a decrease. Hard drives that normally wouldn't sell (500gb hard drives for $50) sold for more than they did pre-flood, and usually sold out. Prices went up and demand went up at the higher prices, more than enough to cover the loss of volume. As a corporate CEO, wouldn't you want to ride that as long as possible?

Now that people know that there are no longer any shortages, hard drive prices have been dropping steadily. Just recently I've been seeing 3tb hard drives for $100. For what I could spend on a $600 1tb SSD, I could spend it on a $350 7970, $150 240/256gb SSD, and a $100 3tb hard drive. Get all the speed of loading my applications instantly, and have all the space I need for storing movies.
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You don't have the slightest clue how hard it is to find jobs nowadays do you?

Intel has been convicted of price fixing. Why are you using a 2600k?

Most of us do not have $600 to spend on a 1tb SSD. Many of us would rather get a small 120 or 240gb SSD, a 7970/680, and a 2-3tb hard drive instead of a $600 SSD.

Also, that price fixing is no longer relevant. The hard drive shortage actually sparked a dramatic increase in demand, not a decrease. Hard drives that normally wouldn't sell (500gb hard drives for $50) sold for more than they did pre-flood, and usually sold out. Prices went up and demand went up at the higher prices, more than enough to cover the loss of volume. As a corporate CEO, wouldn't you want to ride that as long as possible?

Now that people know that there are no longer any shortages, hard drive prices have been dropping steadily. Just recently I've been seeing 3tb hard drives for $100. For what I could spend on a $600 1tb SSD, I could spend it on a $350 7970, $150 240/256gb SSD, and a $100 3tb hard drive. Get all the speed of loading my applications instantly, and have all the space I need for storing movies.

Let me answer your posts in quick succession.

Yes, I do. It's not that hard if you have a marketable skill If you have a degree its even less hard. Unskilled, extremely difficult. The problem we're seeing in the job market these days is people do not want to do the jobs that are available. I'm sorry for those people. I like making love to my girlfriend more than working. However, no one is going to pay me to do that. So you might as well suck it up and do what is available. There are currently MORE JOBS available in the United States than there are unemployed. Problem: no one wants to do those jobs or they are unqualified to fill them.

This is OCN... Please cry about price somewhere else where we have guys running quad 690s with 5 monitor setups that easily equal in the 10s of thousands of dollars

The price fix is relevant. Just last month F3s finally fell to price they were pre flood. All the while SSDs dropped. The adoption rate of SSDs on this site alone shows us that only those that need massive storage will continue to use HDDs. During a recession these companies sold less units and made more profit because of the price fix. BTW... your ripped movies don't count. My guess is most of them are not legit anyway. If they are I apologize for making the assumption but of all the people I know of that have lots of movies on their HDDS none of them have huge stacks of DVDS/blurays they ripped the movies from.

Please link 3TB 7200 rpm drives for 100 dollars.
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Way out of my price range, but I very much enjoy the precedent.
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Wow. Whenever they get cheaper than $500, i'll completely jump on them.

Boot+Steam 512 GB/1 TB SSD + 2-4 TB 7.2k RPM HDD's for video/photos/random stuff that do not benefit at all from an SSD.

I will hold my purchase then. I had planned to buy a 256 GB SSD next month tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by Nick7269 View Post

Now we are talking! Death to the HDD maybe closer than we think.

dont know about that. 2TB/3TB platter drives are affordable, and offer lots of space. I would trust a platter for long term storage (from a known good brand/model) before i would trust a SSD.

This is nice though, and i might pick one up for the main computer sometime after reliability has been confirmed
 
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if price tiers hold, a 256gb should land $160-200, I might grab one of these.
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Yup, EXCITING!
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Originally Posted by Darkpriest667 View Post

Let me answer your posts in quick succession.

Yes, I do. It's not that hard if you have a marketable skill If you have a degree its even less hard. Unskilled, extremely difficult. The problem we're seeing in the job market these days is people do not want to do the jobs that are available. I'm sorry for those people. I like making love to my girlfriend more than working. However, no one is going to pay me to do that. So you might as well suck it up and do what is available. There are currently MORE JOBS available in the United States than there are unemployed. Problem: no one wants to do those jobs or they are unqualified to fill them.

This is OCN... Please cry about price somewhere else where we have guys running quad 690s with 5 monitor setups that easily equal in the 10s of thousands of dollars

The price fix is relevant. Just last month F3s finally fell to price they were pre flood. All the while SSDs dropped. The adoption rate of SSDs on this site alone shows us that only those that need massive storage will continue to use HDDs. During a recession these companies sold less units and made more profit because of the price fix. BTW... your ripped movies don't count. My guess is most of them are not legit anyway. If they are I apologize for making the assumption but of all the people I know of that have lots of movies on their HDDS none of them have huge stacks of DVDS/blurays they ripped the movies from.

Please link 3TB 7200 rpm drives for 100 dollars.

Please, keep your ignorant idea's to yourself because a 24% unemployment rate, 50% underemployment rate and new graduates not being able to find a job entirely disagrees with your claims. You might not grasp it but the US and EU are in an even worse state than during the Great Depression, considering they haven't left depression state since 2008 and we are seeing higher unemployment rates. In the EU alone unemployment for under 30's is 40%, if not higher.

I do agree with you that their price fixing is relevant, as it shows they were lying about the HDD shortage. Price fixing is just as evil and bad as a monopoly.
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I don't think SSDs will fully replace HDDs. They are of course substitutes... but when you lose your data on NAND you're SOL, whereas mechanical drives are usually recoverable. There will be a large market for HDDs for a very long time.

Secondly, 2 weeks ago I paid $0.03/gb for a hdd. It will be awhile before NAND can compete with that.
SSDs aren't quite substitutes for HDDs.... they are a different market segment. They fill a different role in the memory/storage hierarchy.

HDDs density can still go up with patterned media and HAMR.... something like 10x times current density.
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Originally Posted by Kane2207 View Post

See my previous post, Intel and Micron share the fab...

Here's Intel's own statement

http://newsroom.intel.com/community/intel_newsroom/blog/2012/02/27/intel-micron-update-nand-flash-memory-joint-venture
They share multiple fabs... but they restructured their agreement last year. Basically, Intel will get the best NAND first.
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Originally Posted by DrBrogbo View Post

Interesting! I have a close relative who works at Micron. I'll have to ask if there's anything he can tell me about this.

If it's SO much cheaper, I have to imagine they figured out a new method for storing data. This is like half the price of TB SSDs now.
Nope, turns out it's just increase density due to a smaller process.
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Originally Posted by Imglidinhere View Post

When the first of something comes out, it's super expensive. Problem is, you can't justify that price until you see what it has to offer against a similarly placed component. The OCZ Everest SSD is the only other 1TB SSD on the market. I personally wouldn't buy one simply because it's supremely overpriced by comparison to the other 512GB solutions. So seeing this is a welcome refresh. biggrin.gif
There are other 1TB+ SSDs.....

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Originally Posted by Kane2207 View Post

I'd take that bet, maybe it's a fancy new compression alg?
Marvell's controller does not rely on compression (that much if at all). Besides, 1MB = 1MB.....
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Originally Posted by HPE1000 View Post

I have heard that large capacity ssds are incredibly unstable and die fast, would be an amazing change though if it holds up.

I bet some people who recently bought a 400-500gb ssd feel upset right about now lol
Why would a large capacity SSD be unstable? More NAND means more area for wear leveling so longer lives.

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Originally Posted by mmonnin View Post

100% guaranteed its not. Just the next gen 20nm MLC with 128Gb chips.
They share the output of 1 fab in Lehi, Utah.
Just 20nm name.

And mass production will begin in March, not Q2.
Yup.

Micron also own NAND fabs in Virginia and Singapore since Intel sold their share in them.
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