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This build:

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that well make a good build
post #182 of 290
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Honest to god question, I really don't get it: Why do people buy AMD when it is inferior in every way right now?

Because Intel is a Money Grubbing, overpriced, only slightly better choice for the standard everyday user. The price point for their processors does not appeal to budget minded people in a time where money is hard to come by. And like pointed out in one of the last few posts, they need to stop creating new sockets every few processors. Find one and stick with it for even a few years. (Like LGA775). AMD has once again showed its customer knowledge base to be superior (IMO) by extending the AM3+ socket line to the newest processors that are about to be released(if they have not been already). Meanwhile, Intel is about to release yet another socket in the last 3-4 years. 1155, 2011, and now 1150. Stupid and pointless IMO. No wonder their chips are so expensive. They have to pay for all the research into pointless sockets.
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post #183 of 290
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Because Intel is a Money Grubbing, overpriced, only slightly better choice for the standard everyday user. The price point for their processors does not appeal to budget minded people in a time where money is hard to come by. And like pointed out in one of the last few posts, they need to stop creating new sockets every few processors. Find one and stick with it for even a few years. (Like LGA775). AMD has once again showed its customer knowledge base to be superior (IMO) by extending the AM3+ socket line to the newest processors that are about to be released(if they have not been already). Meanwhile, Intel is about to release yet another socket in the last 3-4 years. 1155, 2011, and now 1150. Stupid and pointless IMO. No wonder their chips are so expensive. They have to pay for all the research into pointless sockets.

Yes... Because when AMD went from 754 to 939 to AM2 and charged upwards of $600 for dual core chips that were slightly better than their Intel counterparts, it was alright since it was AMD.

The reason AMD HASN'T been able to change their socket is that they would lose SO much market share because they haven't been able to compete performance wise against Intel since the netburst architecture was developed and the "Core" chips were debuted. I feel so sorry for AMDs engineers right now. Their management basically has then developing chips to go against Intel with one arm tied behind their backs when it comes to power delivery (AM3 boards) and budget restraints. I'm actually surprised that AMD has been able to come out with what they have (Minus bulldozer) to be honest. My hat goes off to their engineers.

Intel has been able to do whatever that want to and still maintain DOMINATE market share because they make a better product at a competitive price in regards to AMD. They RULE the top and midstream CPU segment. What's sad is that Intel put the screws to their customers with the Sandy Bridge CPUs after limiting overclock to the K branded processors as well as constantly changing the CPU socket and STILL they retained and grew their market share. Why? Because they make a better product at a cheaper price to what AMD is putting on the market right now.
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Oh I forgot there was a game that supported more than 2 or 4 cores!

My bad, didn't completely waste those 8 cores there lol.

It is pretty hard to find reviews with i3 and FX-8350 in it.

And I would dare to say my 2500K handles it a lot better than any FX-8350 smile.gif


I could say the same about my i7 2600K but this is more about budget than anything and honestly an i3 will NOT cut it especially for games like Grand Theft Auto IV and Battlefield 3, in the lower end priced segment of the battle AMD has the best prices although not by much ($50-$70 give or take you can go Intel) that's where AMD start to fall behind.

Strictly speaking AMD I would just go Phenom II 965, there's one on sale at TigerDirect for $75.
Edited by hellojustinr - 1/15/13 at 11:11pm
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The only reason I go Intel is because of its OSX support which is a big plus for me, almost any motherboard + Intel CPU combination is compatible, and hunting for the right one is easy as heck.

If I was strictly going for gaming I would not have spent the big bucks and just have went AMD (I'm actually in the process of building an AMD machine right now, just waiting on that motherboard to ship, should be coming in tomorrow). I find that a Phenom II 975 will handle most of my gaming needs just perfectly fine, at about a fraction of the cost. That's what AMD's all about.

The higher end segment though they got messed up, they priced the higher end FX-8000 series to the same league as the i5s
Edited by hellojustinr - 1/15/13 at 11:10pm
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post #186 of 290
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Yes... Because when AMD went from 754 to 939 to AM2 and charged upwards of $600 for dual core chips that were slightly better than their Intel counterparts, it was alright since it was AMD.

The reason AMD HASN'T been able to change their socket is that they would lose SO much market share because they haven't been able to compete performance wise against Intel since the netburst architecture was developed and the "Core" chips were debuted. I feel so sorry for AMDs engineers right now. Their management basically has then developing chips to go against Intel with one arm tied behind their backs when it comes to power delivery (AM3 boards) and budget restraints. I'm actually surprised that AMD has been able to come out with what they have (Minus bulldozer) to be honest. My hat goes off to their engineers.

Intel has been able to do whatever that want to and still maintain DOMINATE market share because they make a better product at a competitive price in regards to AMD. They RULE the top and midstream CPU segment. What's sad is that Intel put the screws to their customers with the Sandy Bridge CPUs after limiting overclock to the K branded processors as well as constantly changing the CPU socket and STILL they retained and grew their market share. Why? Because they make a better product at a cheaper price to what AMD is putting on the market right now.

The reason I can applaud Intel no matter how many socket changes they go through is because of their whole price strategy revision back in 2011, $300 for a processor that was and still is faster than the $1000 first gen Core i7 980X, it just blew me away.

They were undercutting their profits, they could have easily priced the i5 2500K at $400 and i7 2600K at $500 but they didn't and kudos to them. Motherboards for the LGA 1155 platform weren't as expensive either debuting at sub-$100 prices. Plus it's lasted for two years (Jan 2011-Present) and counting.

Two years with almost no competition and pressure and no price increase, you have to ar least feel like they've stayed loyal to us consumers for some time now. They decreased the prices and undercut profits all on their own will.
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The higher end segment though they got messed up, they priced the higher end FX-8000 series to the same league as the i5s

So an 8320 at $170 and a 8350 at $190 is a screw up? Hell of a good processor at that price point, especially when your pc's entire existance isn't only for getting slightly higher frame rates in lightly threaded games.

If anything has been overpriced, it is the old model intel's. The 2500k's are still around $215 which is $25 more than a 8350 and only what, 10 bucks cheaper than a 3570k?

Factor in, even for gaming a 8320 at $170 is a remarkable deal, especially for those of us who use multithreaded applications.
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Honest to god question, I really don't get it: Why do people buy AMD when it is inferior in every way right now?

Honest question here. Why do you Intel crowd always come to crap AMD threads, without having any idea of what you're saying?
   
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Honest question here. Why do you Intel crowd always come to crap AMD threads, without having any idea of what you're saying?
That is a good question.
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