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post #1 of 8
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Hello smile.gif

(Please note post #4 below with updated results rolleyes.gif that include SSD)

...after spending a few months of building up several Ivy Bridge machines (3770 and 3770K) for work and play, one machine of that pool got built up beyond the originally intended envelope...

Intel(R) IPP JPEG encoder 7.0.1041 - Jul 19 2011;

Now I am looking at RamDrive AND / or SSD as 'next steps', with some of my preliminary RamDrive benchmarks below (hoping to get some SSD results for the same programs as feedback)

Current Config as the basis: - Asus Sabertooth Z77 - I7 3770K - 32 GB of G.Skill Trident X 2400 - 4x WD Caviar 'black' 1 TB drives- Asus GTX 670 in SLI - Thermaltake Water 2.0 Extreme closed-loop - plenty of 120mm Noctua and In Win fans. About 10 GB of Ram are reserved for SQL 2008 Enterprise and other SQL instances...but that leaves close to 16 GB of Ram available.

Intel(R) IPP JPEG encoder 7.0.1041 - Jul 19 2011;

...the Sabertooth rig runs great http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2653300 but there is always a (relatively speaking) slowest component: Storage. The system 'swaps' very little to begin with, but if I can improve load times from hard drive (with or without SSD caching), that is even better.

Now, I the saw a demo of RamDisk Plus on YouTube, and what caught my eye was a safety feature re shutdown (pics below)..so I tried it and ran a few benchmarks at different CPU speeds. I find the speed amazing, especially with large database files, media and of course Games biggrin.gif

So far, the only drawbacks I can see are a longer boot / restart time, and perhaps size limitations, though even the trial at 4 GB showed what it can do, and I will increase it to 12 GB.

I like to get some feedback from SSD owners, both in regard to benchmarks (including SSD Raid I am also considering) and also if they have tried to 'mix thumb.gifRamDisk and SSD'

Benchmarks:

At 4.8 GHz (48x 100, DDR3 2400)



Some CPU speed impacts...

At 5.0 GHz (50x 100, DDR3 2400)



At 4.9 GHz (49x 100, DDR3 2400)



At 3.9 GHz (39x 100, DDR3 2400)




Setup Pics




Key item for me:


Edited by Joa3d43 - 1/14/13 at 11:11pm
post #2 of 8
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Update - A friend of mine has an extra OCZ Vertex 3 SSD I can try out and benchmark smile.gif, which I'll do after the weekend.

Has anyone tried to use a SSD drive as the 'destination' for a RamDrive image file on boot-down ?
post #3 of 8
Those speeds are beyond anything an SSD is capable of. However, I do believe it's impossible to install Windows on a Ram Disk and of course with a Ram Disk you are limited by the amount of Ram you actually have. Meaning, only a few programs or games will generally be able to go on the Ram Disc. I imagine as memory becomes cheaper, faster, and they are able to fit larger sizes of memory per dim that Ram Discs will become more popular. Especially if you can retain the Ram Disc even after shutting down. Imagine when people have 400GB of ram and 200GB of it is allotted to a Ram Disc. I'm sure it will still be the fasted method available.
post #4 of 8
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UPDATED RESULTS, including SSD

Per original entry in this thread above, here are some additional results, including for SSD (an OCZ Vortex 3 /128 GB), as well as some other related results. I have also included additional clock speeds to 'vary the test conditions' even more.

Pics / benches below for 3.9 GHz to 5 GHz runs on a 3770k running on a Sabertooth Z77 with 32 GB of G.Skill DDR3 2400

Summary / Conclusion:

A quick recap: As our systems become faster and faster re CPU, RAM and also the number of threads, storage is once again the slowest link in the chain...but there are solutions. Those with plenty of RAM installed can enjoy a (modern and more robust) RamDisk which beats anything else by a very, very large margin per below, including SSD. Some RamDisks can now retain it even after shut-down (though shut-down and boot-up times increase a bit).

Still, keeping absolutely vital data / files ONLY on RamDisk is obviously not a good idea...things can happen....While during my two week testing, everything was rock-solid, I could make it fail (deliberately) by hitting 'reset' while it was in use, or apply a crazy BCLK multiplier that would freeze the system. Finally, RamDisks seem to use a few more CPU resources (up to 13% in some benchmarks) - then again, they just do that for a fraction of the time.

My main conclusion however is to use RamDisks in conjunction with a SSD. So it is not an 'either / or' but an 'and'.

I copied some huge database files (and also big multimedia items for rendering) over from a fast hard drive to the SSD...many GBs worth. While it was fast by hard disk standards, copying similar files from SSD to RamDisk or vice versa appeared almost 'instant'.

The ideal setup then seems to be what most of you would expect: A fast hard drive with many TB for main and safe storage, with an SSD that is doing caching and also has room for 'major project and game' files, and finally a RamDisk drawing on the SSD for manipulating behemoth data and media in a work session where iterative 'saving' is needed, after which it gets copied back to the SSD (and perhaps automatically backed up to the hard drive once a day or so).

3.9 GHz (RamDisk, SSD, Aida64 memcopy benchmark)





4.3 GHz (RamDisk, SSD, Aida64 memcopy benchmark)





4.9 GHz (RamDisk, SSD, Aida64 memcopy benchmark)





5.0 GHz (RamDisk, SSD, Aida64 memcopy benchmark)



post #5 of 8
3770k responds favourably to overclocking in ram drive benchmarks. I am wondering if there are any benchmark comparisons of various cpu's in this application. I'm actually looking forward to picking a laptop according to corresponding ram drive performance however I cannot find any evaluation of such a scheme. Any help would be sincerely appreciated.
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Seagate 7200.5 1TB NEC 3540 Dvd-Rom Windows 7 x32 Ultimate Samsung P2350 23" 1080p 
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Quad Krait 300 at 1.5Ghz Qualcomm APQ8064-1AA SOC Adreno 320 at 400mhz 2GB DDR3L-1600 
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post #6 of 8
You should give WinRamTech (aka Qsoft ramdisk) a try.
From my testing it's the fastest ramdisk by a good margin.

qsoftramdisk.net84.net/RAMDriv

I have had similar results to yours when increasing the BLCK frequency

i7920 at 2.66GHz


i7920 at 3.6GHz




It would be interesting to have a comprehensive test of RAMDisks, like the effect different achitectures, dual/tri/quad channel memory, faster memory or tighter timings.
I suspect that CPU speed will have the greatest effect but it still would be interesting to read.
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Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 3x4GB DDR3 1600MHz 9... OCZ RevoDrive 3xSeagate Barracuda 1.5TB Samsung SH-S223Q 
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Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme Windows 7 professional 64bits GateWay FHD2401 24" 1920x1200 PCBANK PB2700 SUPER 27" 2560x1440 
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I thought the Sabertooth Z77 was limited to 1866Mhz RAM?
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Here's all my data:

2600k @ 4.6
2x 4GB Vengeance 1866 @ 2133
M4 256GB
and more HDD's and USB-sticks included

Well all I have actually biggrin.gif

   
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