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Can't seem to overclock Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition. Help?

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Ok, this is a very long story but I'll make it short as possible. If you need details feel free to ask. I had a slim profile/small form factor PC from HP but that wasn't working out for me so I went out to my local Fry's and bought an entire new system to the exception of the already owned CPU, graphics card, HDD, DVD/CD ROM optical drive, and RAM. I got all of the other parts based on what my friend told me to get, whom actually works there and helped me pick out the parts. I did make sure to only get parts with an unopened seal and no visible damage marks to the box, which could indicate damaged and faulty parts. So I have the system all setup. Everything is running great. No problems. The only problem is that I can't seem to overclock my CPU past 3.8GHz at the stock voltage. I can go to up to a max of 4.1GHz but when it's on 100% load it crashes. Yes, I tried for days to gradually step the voltage up in small incruments. I have googled everywhere trying to find out what it is I'm missing here but can't find anything on why this i happening. I should be able to at least raise the multiplier to 20x 4GHz with a slight voltage boost but I can't even do that. Just so we can get a couple of things out of the way, I did use arctic silver thermal paste, I didn't apply too much nor too little, my idle temps are in the low to mid 30's with load temps on the high 40's to low 50's (celsius), and I have not tampered with anything hardware-wise nor software-wise. Any help or advice would be appreciated. System specs are listed below. If there is any other content and/or info needed, please feel free to ask away. Thanks so much in advanced.

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition 3.4GHz (currently at 3.8GHZ at stock voltage)
Cooling: Cool Master Hypercool 212 Heatsink with dual 120mm fan cooling / x2 120mm fan intakes / x1 120mm heat exhaust fan
Motherboard: MSI 970A-G46
PSU: LEPA 500 watt power supply
RAM: x2 PNY DDR3 1533 (667MHz) 4gb (8gb total)
GPU: VisionTek AMD ATI Radeon HD 6570 650MHz (1gb DDR3 memory 667MHz)
HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500gb SATA 6Gbps 7200rpm
Optical Drive: HP DVD-ROM TS-H353C SATA cd-Rom device
Case: ENERMAX OSTROG ECA3253 Red edition
post #2 of 38
I can't get mine stable at 3.8 on stock voltages, yours has reached it's wall at stock voltage. 965BE need high voltage to get over 4GHZ stable.
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Mind core temps are off by ~10c

everything is covered here http://www.overclock.net/t/525113/phenom-ii-overclocking-guide thumb.gif
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My 965 maxed out at 3.8 as well on a slight voltage bump and stock cooling. Honestly I dont think that it is the voltage required but some form of additional cooling. The 965 BE much prefer being cool as opposed to just through more voltage at it. I would look at an upgraded air even a closed loop water cooler like the Antec Kuhler 620/920. Personally I went with the Thermaltake Water2.0. After I installed my Water2.0 I was able to go from 3.8 to 4.2 stable with the same very modest voltage bump and my CPU doesnt even see 50 degrees C while gaming for hours on end.

Edit Didnt see the coolermaster on there, what temps are you getting and how long do you stress test for at 3.8 ghz?
Edited by robotninja - 1/12/13 at 9:29am
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Temps were mentioned on the original post but that's ok. smile.gif I get an average of low to mid 30's on idle and a max of 51 degrees celsius. This has been been determined with, not just 1 program, but several including both a bios control center integrated into the OS and the bios itself.

Edit: K, so I've been running OCCT now for a little over 3 hours and 3.8GHz is stable and it seems to max out at 49.5 degrees Celsius. Holding my hand over the heat exhaust fan right next to the CPU and heatsink and it doesn't feel hot at all by any means and I've felt it much warmer before overclocking, although that could be because of warmer board temps as well, but still, you get what I'm saying. Does NB and/or CPU NB volts attribute at all to gaining higher clocks? I took a look at one of the first posters links and I kept reading about NB (North Bridge) and nothing really about CPU NB volts and frequency. Does changing any of that help?
Edited by joe012594 - 1/13/13 at 6:49pm
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Thanks for the help, but I've actually already seen that guide as well as several others on the web. It was a bit hard to follow and it requires you to raise the FSB which I hear you really shouldn't do as it raises temps the most out of everything else you could change.
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I actually want to overclock even if it means raising the volts. Sorry, I reread my posts and I made it sound like i didn't want to raise any voltage in order to get farther than 3.8GHz. I guess I should give a bit more info to help future posters have a better idea on how to explain things to me. I am a complete newbie at overclocking. Never overclocked in my life. I've seen it done, watched YouTube videos, read articles/tutorials, and did my own personal research but one problem I constantly run into about overclocking is that people never use the same exact terms when describing something about overclocking. For instance, some people call the FSB or front side bus frequency the HTT which I thought meant the HyperTransport link this entire time till actually just five minutes ago, so I need people to give me advice with the terminology I can better understand or that I am familiar with so I don't, for example, mistakenly change the HyperTransport link rather than changing the "HTT" or FSB. I did set all settings back to default in case I'm doing something wrong to avoid any damage. Please review the setting listed below and give help/advice as to what should be set to what and what should be enabled, disabled, or left on auto. Here is all of the changes I can make in the BIOS with the current setting I have on default mode:

OC Settings

FSB frequency: 200MHz
CPU ratio: 17x (3400MHz)
CPU NB ratio: 10x (2000MHz)
OC Genie Lite: disabled
CPU Smart Protection: enabled
Unlock CPU Core: disabled
CPU Core Control: auto
DRAM frequency: DDR3 1533MHz
DRAM Timing Mode: auto

HT Link Control

PCI-E frequency (MHz): 100
DRAM voltage: auto
NB voltage: auto
CPU Voltage: auto (but its running at 1.47v according to BIOS specs)
CPU NB voltage: auto
SB voltage: auto
Spread Spectrum: disabled

CPU Features

AMD Cool'n'Quiet: auto
C1E Support: disabled
SVM Mode: enabled
IOMMU Mode: disabled

Eco Energy Saving

EuP 2013: disabled
CPU Phase Control: disabled
DDR Phase Control: disabled
Motherboard LED Control: auto
C1E Support: disabled

Advanced

CPU Smat Fan Target: disabled
SYS Fan1 Control: auto
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I went to 1.6V for my 4.0 validation (I as on water) for the rest of its life (sadly it sits in a drawer with a broken pin) I ran it at 3.8.It was much happer at 3.8.Do not sweat having issues at 4.1,this is where they stop.(if not earlier).
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I went to 1.6V for my 4.0 validation (I as on water) for the rest of its life (sadly it sits in a drawer with a broken pin) I ran it at 3.8.It was much happer at 3.8.Do not sweat having issues at 4.1,this is where they stop.(if not earlier).

But the 965 broke the overclocking record and still holds it to this day, from what I understand. I believe the first record was back in 2010 at 6.3GHz on mineral oil cooling. Now I believe the new record is 7.3GHz on liquid nitrogen.
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