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Joe,I am talking about people using average air systems,average water systems,and average knowledge.There is simply no way to turn your Phenom II into a 5.0 daily driver on standard air,standard water,no matter what motherboard used.The 7.13MHz 18th place record holderAMD Phenom II used injections of LN2 and factory tech educated operators.Clearly not what we are dealing with here.

Right, and I get that. But you keep mentioning this 5.0 thing as if somebody mentioned it. No one has said anything of the sort. Like I said before, I stated I was aiming for 4.2. Never did I say anything about 5.0. And that's not true that people who have achieved a 7.0 overclock are just factory tech educated. You think there aren't any smart people out there in this world who know what they're doing too? That's almost an insult to people who who have dreams of achieving things and innovating something to make better, faster, smarter, easier to use, etc etc. Let's use an example here. Look back at the 70's when computers were just being introduced to the public. Companies had already been around making a mint off of this great new tech of theirs. They were dominating that field and some college drop out in his garage with his friend had a dream, a vision, the smarts, and the passion it took to compete with and do well if not better than everyone else. Are you telling me that college drop out couldn't do what already existing computer corps. were doing and even out do them?
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5.0 comes from the fact that there are 5.0 Sandy bridge daily drivers.How far do you think you are going to go?you have hit the wall with that Phenom II.Let me put it another way.Before you get stable above 4.2 on air or water AMD will be asking you to write for them.If you need 2 pages of text telling you what VRM's are and how your board is a fire hazard,I just can't see it happening with out a lot of schooling.Get a early EP45-UD3P and start learning all the tips and tricks to OCing one of those,then you will be talking.
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5.0 comes from the fact that there are 5.0 Sandy bridge daily drivers.How far do you think you are going to go?you have hit the wall with that Phenom II.Let me put it another way.Before you get stable above 4.2 on air or water AMD will be asking you to write for them.If you need 2 pages of text telling you what VRM's are and how your board is a fire hazard,I just can't see it happening with out a lot of schooling.Get a early EP45-UD3P and start learning all the tips and tricks to OCing one of those,then you will be talking.

Sandy Bridge drivers only apply to Intel based CPUs. AMD does not use Sandy Bridge drivers. I have here a quote from HP themselves saying this very thing. And I quote, "AMD's drivers will not work on Sandy Bridge based Intel CPU systems just as Intel's Sandy Bridge drivers will not work on AMD CPU systems." I have been doing research for the past couple of hours and have concluded, based upon the fact that AMD and Sandy Bridge just typed in the same sentence comes up with things of incompatibility or no results at all, that Sandy Bridge does not apply to any AMD based CPUs.
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In your reasearch did you come across the a figure indicating the level of factory support AMD provides its groups that are trying to set records with their products (I did).It is understandable when you realize just what is involved when trying for a record clock speed.It is not just multiplier and volts at that level.It would be interesting to see a total amature team have a go at it.Interesting but not practical

My comment about getting into the older ways of overclocking could lead you to some very interesting reading,lab type work.You can work line for line in the BIOS and compare (after a good bit of reasearch) just what the different manufactures call the same thing.You can become aware of just how many different components are affected when you make thaf FSB change (that is if it even is called the FSB any more).Learing the old way which I have most certainly not mastered really brings you some great technical understanding. A lot is lost with unlocked multipliers in the area of just what is going on with that motherboard.I tried very hard to get some students at school interested in learning the old method of overclocking (going so far as offering to loan out the gear) but I had no takers.Things were a bit better with the weekly Networking Club,much more interest.but not evenone out of 70 or so was interested in getting their CCNA or even mastering the material covered in a CCNA type certification.A guy may not feel it is worth to get the actual cert but mastering the material is fundemental.
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Time after time and thread after thread people only get maybe 4.2 out of their 965 and I bet it is not stable.The 965 is just not a 4.0+ chip,no matter how "golden it is in your eyes.You people were suggesting all he does is get a board with the correct vrm layout and he is off to to moon.Nothing could be further from the truth.The right vrm layout is just going to keep your board from going up in smoke at 4.0. You are trying to put lipstick on a pig and call it "Sandy Bridge".It just is not going to happen with this tech from 2008.

I know this thread is a little old, but while looking up info on my overclock using Phenom II 965 BE I came across it and just had to comment. Lipstick on a pig???? PCCstudent seems to think he is really all that, but what you are failing to see is that the 965 BE is still a viable processor today almost four years later. I have a 965 BE overclocked to 4.4GHz stable and a Radeon 7970 and I can play any game going at ultra settings, yes including Crysis 3. I love how you are comparing benchmarks of i5 and i7 Sandy Bridge to the Phenom II. The freaking Sandy Bridge better outperform Phenom II considering they cost twice as much (as well as their Motherboards) and are all at least two years newer in tech. The point is for twice the cost you don't get twice the power, furthermore how about you compare Intel hardware to the Phenom II based on the release date. Well you want to compare a Phenom II to a Core 2 Quad? Once Intel went to i5 and i7 they started to out benchmark the Phenom II but at a much higher cost. And really what do benchmarks prove in the real world? I can play the newest games available at all ultra settings without drop in fps.

Going to the store and buying the most expensive hardware available and bragging about your benchmarks and putting down anyone else who couldn't afford what you bought doesn't make you an expert. The guy who restored a classic muscle car will know a lot more than a guy who went out and bought a Lamborghini, but the Lamborghini will outperform it every time, it doesn't prove anything. Yes the Intel i5 and i7 processors are better than the Phenom II processors.... wow I'm guessing your the first one to figure that out? That doesn't mean that the Phenom IIs still aren't great processors, and guess what if you have an AM3+ board you will be able to upgrade to SteamRoller in a few months. Wouldn't it be something if SteamRoller outperforms the mighty i5 and i7 without needing a new motherboard!! With PS4 and the next gen Xbox going to AMD tech games may run much better on SteamRoller architecture than Sandy, Ivy, or Haswell. Does that mean that all Intel processors suddenly suck then? Of course not, just like Phenom IIs aren't horrible right now!! Don't be such an Intel fanboy. The Phenom II processors are still sound even in 2013 and will be at least until the release of SteamRoller, and those of us with AM3+ boards can just slip the new processor in unlike Haswell that will require new Motherboard and possibly new RAM as Intel Motherboards can be difficult with RAM compatibility. Just because you had a bigger budget doesn't mean you are superior to anyone running AMD.
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Over clocking (especially the Phenom 2 965 BE) requires 40% luck and 60% skill/knowlege when trying to get decent overclocks. To the one guy above that was saying that the Phenom 2 965 is only good at 4.0 ghz for short bursts is wrong. I'm currently running at 4ghz stable and have been for the last month. You might just have a bad chip that won't overclock too much regardless of what you do. Cooling does have a major influence on your overclock though. I'm so happy my chip seems to not mind high temps too much during a stress test. This chip is awesome especially for the price. I hope you can achieve your overclock goal. thumb.gif
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Most of the 965BE's available on the market now seem to do 4 GHz with no problem. It's almost always the case with CPU's at the end of a production run that they overclock extremely well. By a processor's EOL, the manufacturing process has been streamlined and there are few if any kinks left to work out. The result is that you get extremely high-quality processors, and the Deneb design was pretty tolerant of heat and voltage to begin with. Seeing as how they sell for about $85 new, they're still very viable choices for a new build, if you are comfortable with overclocking.

Just not on an MSI motherboard. devil.gif
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