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I find it interesting that so many people complained about Dragon age 2. But I had a blast - sure it did not have as long of a story line as first one. But it let me finish it in reasonable amount of time and I actually finished it 3 times ! My only game so far with 3 play through.

I think you need to watch angryjoe's video about it, he always speaks the truth. The fact that he praised the game for trading out story and customization for better gameplay in his DA2 review, and later admit that he was not harsh enough when reviewing the game in the video "most disappointing games in 2011".

Most item drops are absolute trash, cannot customize companions' gear, game is called dragon age but storyline evolves around conflicts between the templar class and mage class in a dam city, exploration is pathetically minimal and the mazes were reused A LOT. Everything screams plain and swallow.
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DA1 was great. No complaints. DA2... Well, I understand they were subjected to EA.
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Most (dare I saw all?) forums are growing increasingly toxic. You've got this community of users that does most, possibly all of their socializing anonymously online and they forget how to have a respectful conversation with someone. It's hard to find a thread on this website even that doesn't have at least a few vitriolic posts!

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Why is kotaku allowed to be used as a news source? Its equivalent to posting news from the nation enquirer.

Glad we could keep LunchboxDDS' quote true... Most online things seem to be chock full of "butthurt kids" as they would put it. Seems nobody has anything good to say about anything and will criticize others without question without thinking what would happen if they were to do the same thing. Think you could write better news articles? Doubtful. Think your story line could be better? Nope. Think you could make some better maps? Absolutely not.

People are so stuck up nowadays and it's aggravating. Even more so that many of the users aren't even old enough to drive and have not had a job. Pathetic.

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I think you need to watch angryjoe's video about it, he always speaks the truth. The fact that he praised the game for trading out story and customization for better gameplay in his DA2 review, and later admit that he was not harsh enough when reviewing the game in the video "most disappointing games in 2011".

Most item drops are absolute trash, cannot customize companions' gear, game is called dragon age but storyline evolves around conflicts between the templar class and mage class in a dam city, exploration is pathetically minimal and the mazes were reused A LOT. Everything screams plain and swallow.

The game wasn't THAT bad to be put as one of the most disappointing games. It was quite fun, people just put too high of expectations on it and then were let down, it doesn't deter from the fact that the game was still fun. I haven't played DA2 in a very long time but just as with any game there are crappy trash items and then good unique items. I'm not sure what the problem is with this. EVERY game has something similar to this and yet people slam DA2 for it? No sense. Sure the title Dragon Age makes very little sense but people are also missing what an "age" is. A dragon age can simply imply that there is dragons within the age but not the predecessor, doesn't mean the game has to be about some godforsaken dragon(s).
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Link to the original tumblr post. I think this should be put in the OP so people don't miss it.

http://dgaider.tumblr.com/post/39544291251/on-fandom-and-toxic-environments

It's actually an interesting read and he brings up a lot of great points. You'll find that there's no "demand to be treated like an artist." Just a guy pouring his heart out about how toxic the environment of forums can be these days and how it not only affects these developers looking for constructive criticism, but the communities themselves.
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Why is kotaku allowed to be used as a news source? Its equivalent to posting news from the nation enquirer.

blogs and opinion articles. really bad ones.
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Oh come on Dave. Take a deep breath of those fumes, they're good for ya; barely any asbestos at all.
asbestos isn't "fumes" it's silicate dust
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The thing that brings the most toxicity out of me is when fans bring up legitimate points and the devs just ignore them. That's when whining becomes justified.

If the white house can come up with a snarky reply to a petition to create a Death Star then a dev can take 2 minutes to state that a fan idea is a bad idea and maybe even why.

I mean, the parts of forums that see the least dev activity on the Guild Wars 2 forums is the fan suggestions sub-forum, which really indicates that they're really not interested in what we have to say. :/
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This guy should try being a public school teacher for a month. Then he can whine that he feels bad about himself ONLY when visiting their forums.

Try dealing with 360 parents and 180 students who think you're crummy at your job and you can't run they can come up and tell you straight to your face and typically do.


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The game wasn't THAT bad to be put as one of the most disappointing games. It was quite fun, people just put too high of expectations on it and then were let down, it doesn't deter from the fact that the game was still fun. I haven't played DA2 in a very long time but just as with any game there are crappy trash items and then good unique items. I'm not sure what the problem is with this. EVERY game has something similar to this and yet people slam DA2 for it? No sense. Sure the title Dragon Age makes very little sense but people are also missing what an "age" is. A dragon age can simply imply that there is dragons within the age but not the predecessor, doesn't mean the game has to be about some godforsaken dragon(s).

disappointing =/= bad. There was another "worst games of 2011" list. they are 2 different things.

you were right about people having high expectations on it and were let down. Though, the reason why DA2 got such high expectations was pretty obvious.


and about the crappy item vs great items, I'm aware that other RPG games have it, in fact I think all of them have it. What I was trying to say was that DA2 started using a different model, the "sell me! I'm totally junk!" model.

There were literally 80% of the item drops that were useless. By useless I don't mean swords that +1 attack (while the norm is maybe +4), I mean like....."broken jeans". BROKEN JEANS DUDE. An item that you can only sell for like 2 gold. That is not even remotely close to the "inferior item drop" model. They basically just tell you "this is junk, throw this away. That is good, keep that." Why, I'd rather pick up a crap sword than broken jeans and cracked claws all day.

The game has a companion system and yet you don't get to upgrade the equipment on your companions. Whats up with that? (don't avoid this one again if you were to defend the game, this one pissed me off the most in the entire game)

The game has very, very, I mean VERY little item choices for your character. Yeah, you would think that if they disabled companion customization, they would have done better in what YOU can wear, right.... And when you pick up a seemingly godly outfit that's limited to main character and proceed to find that it's for a different class? Priceless.

About the "age" thing.....now you're trying a bit too hard.... Technically you're right, it does not have to evolve around dragons despite the name. Only problem is, the last game was epic about wars between mankind and "undead" forces lead by dragon gods (so dragons do exist in this "age") and yet this game is about political conflicts in a city?

I've said it, and I'll say it again. It is not a bad game. If DA:O never existed, this game would be 6/10 material for me. Hell I'd probably give it a 7, even. As a sequel to something as great as that though....I gotta say DA2 just lacks the depth in literally every aspect. The only thing that really improved was the battle graphics, and the only thing that I think got "side-graded" was the skill tree. The rest all got dumbed down to a ridiculous level
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Dragon age II was just so much different from the first one. The combat, the art style, i just didn't get into the story as much as i did DA: O. All of the repeat dungeons got annoying after a while because I felt like I was just playing the same level over and over again. DA II was still entertaining, but I think everyone was just expecting it to be more like the original, which was nearly perfect in my book.


I feel the same way. DA:O was an amazing game and was on par with Baldurs gate 2 imo (BG still being the better game of course, you just can't beat Minsc). I hope DA3 will be just the like the fist. In the mean time I'm enjoying the Baldurs Gate: Enhanced editon remake, lots of fun.
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