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I'm guessing there's a level of toxicity on every official game forum. By now you would think they know exactly what they're walking into, and either have a thick skin about it or stay away.
    
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So many people missing the point. He's hardly disagreeing with the people who disliked and criticized DA2. Please just read the original tumblr article.. xD
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Originally Posted by SpykeZ View Post

I agree with you 100% however, Bioware didn't have to sell out. They were doing just fine and dandy. They saw money, what EA does and does best, is throw it around to buy studios who have a good name, who have a good franchise so when they release 1 good game and bring in the flock, change it to how they want it to be done.

They did it to Westwood
They did it to Bioware

and I just looked at the list of their acquisitions over the years...HOLY CRAP
DICE as well.
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They don't want to go on the forums so they can't listen to how they broke 4 of their games. DA2, ME3, SW:TOR, and WAR. Those toxic forums offer good advice and they ignore it.
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Originally Posted by Shmerrick View Post

They don't want to go on the forums so they can't listen to how they broke 4 of their games. DA2, ME3, SW:TOR, and WAR. Those toxic forums offer good advice and they ignore it.

All you're doing is proving him right. He actually acknowledges that people can offer good advice on forums.
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And I’m sure there are also people there who would say that there’s plenty of useful, thoughtful feedback. Not all of it consists of angry ranting. You can, in fact, meet and talk to some very keen and intelligent posters. And that’s very true. If it weren’t true, I wouldn’t go there at all. Yet the signal-to-noise ratio does seem to be worsening, and eventually you get the feeling like you’re at one of those parties where all anyone is doing is *****ing. It doesn’t matter what they’re *****ing about so much as, sooner or later, that’s all you can really hear. Engaging starts to mean partaking in the *****ing until you feel like that’s all you’re doing. Even when I try to rise above, those who are most negative will seek me out in order to get a rise out of me— and not unsuccessfully. I am only human, and I’ll end up responding to score points just as they do, and end up feeling ****ty for having done so.

For every single person who offers decent constructive advice on how to better something, there's 50 people screaming at the top of their keyboards "THIS FRIGGEN SUCKS!" and offer nothing else.
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DICE as well.

Ya know, I actually though Dice just started up as a company under EA, I didn't know they did anything before BF1942...hmmm...pinball dream <3
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post #47 of 60
I don't blame him. No one is ever satisfied these days.
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post #48 of 60
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I loved the story for DA1 and 2 it was DA 2's gameplay that sucked for me. The fact that they reused the same maps over and over.

On topic I can see why he would avoid the forums. Yet I cant help but be on the side of the users. ME3 ending was so bad and infuriated so many people. Bioware as a whole is on my wait to buy list when they were on my pre-order list before. After DA 2's gameplay, ME3's ending, SWToR's colossal flop, not to mention the origin only exclusives. All my bioware games are on steam and i refuse to use origin or split my collection.

TL;DR What has EA done to Bioware!
Off topic: this is why I will but Crysis 3 on steam if offered. Origin is terrible.
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post #49 of 60
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All you're doing is proving him right. He actually acknowledges that people can offer good advice on forums.
For every single person who offers decent constructive advice on how to better something, there's 50 people screaming at the top of their keyboards "THIS FRIGGEN SUCKS!" and offer nothing else.

And apparently he's missing the point, if people are unhappy with your product then you have failed. Writing a blog, crying about them being unhappy makes him seem like a weenie. biggrin.gif The whole point of his writeup was to cry about the forums being so toxic... don't make crap games and the forums won't be so toxic. It's not the fans fault they don't like it, it's the developers.

It's obvious to me, that these guys don't really care about people liking their product that much and just want to cash in a paycheck. Good companies will see the backlash and outcry and say to themselves, 'oh crap, we screwed up!' Then proceed to make it right somehow, not complain about the complainers.
Edited by tout - 1/14/13 at 12:27am
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The problem with the 'make good games' approach is that not everyone shares your opinion of what is good. Whether they make games the same as they had before or do things a bit differently, they're going to have heaps of people criticizing them every step of the way. They do something that you like, it upsets someone else.

While you could say that they should prioritize longtime fans, game companies can't sell to the same aging group of gamers forever. Not to mention the fact that the people working at these companies may very well be different from those that made the games that won you over years ago. There's a new generation of developers and gamers emerging and the old guard will have to learn to accept that this industry no longer caters exclusively to them.

Now, that's not a solution. A solution would be people actually exercising a bit of common sense, understanding and maturity. Developers don't force gamers to flock to forums and spew hatred. A better alternative is to either offer legitimate criticism or accept that the game, series or company in question no longer appeals to you. It's not hard.

This. Generally the phrase "Where there's smoke, there's fire" is true and works pretty well for this..The forums are only really that bad because they stuffed up DA2.
    
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