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post #1211 of 3905
re- AmcieK
I have the same configuration as yourself - processor and mobo.
My current level is 4.7GHz with prime95 stable. Rest of the configuration is: 2x8GHz Vengeance RAM, 7750 gpu, vs550 psu, 212 evo cpu cooler
I have reached higher OC but without thermal stability under prime95

To achieve stability in your case, I recommend:
1. Go to BIOS and reset it to DEFAULT
then make ONLY these changes:
2. Leave your FSB at 200 MHz
3. Set your multiplier to what you desire, for ex. 21,5
4. Set your Ai Overclock Tuner to D.O.C.P.
5. Go to Memory button and select at bottom of the list the long descripted RAM memory configuration, which automatically is shown when you select D.O.C.P.
6. DO NOT change the AUTO settings of the CPU/NB or HT settings - leave them as AUTO
7. Leave the "CPU & NB Voltage" setting as default, which is - "OFFSET" and just below enter an offset value of 0,1400V to 0,1500V (for me 0,1500V works at 4,7GHz, while the system completely freezes if this value is any higher), at your lower OC, you may need to enter lower value
8. Do not make any changes from DEFAULT to the settings you show in pictures 1 and especially 2, leave them all alone, don't touch them!
9. Lastly, your BIOS is also out of date, latest available version is 1903, no guarantee it will make any difference stability wise, but update is always recommended

I don't know how effective is your CPU cooler, however from my experience the CPU temperatures of 72-74 degC indicated by the asus AI Suite were stable under prime95 for nearly 1 hour. When trying to reach larger OC, the processor heats so fast and reaches it's terminal temperature causing the whole computer to completely shut down. This in my estimate is the method of AMD CPU protection.

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post #1212 of 3905
so far ran several IBT runs with 20gb of ram. im guessing 10 hours worth. with an average temp of socket 66c and cpu at 58c oh and my volts are 1.536 under stress test. i'll be running it more later tomorrow and post a temp pic as well as cpu-z xD so far im calling is stable. but damn these test take forever lol
post #1213 of 3905
so i just got a rig, and its a 8320 in a m5a97, and im using a h40 in push/pull to cool it.

i can get it stable at 4.1 @ stock voltage, but at 4.2 i cant seem to stabilize it frown.gif.

i've tried everything the guide tells me, and i seem to get all but the last core stable, it always has a warning, and then after 3 warnings, prime95 shuts it off.

my socket temps are reaching mid to high 70s though, but because of the h40 i do not have room for a fan over the northbridge / VRMs.
the cpu reaches max of 60.

i tried setting LLC to enable, but it boosts my voltage to like 1.53 and the computer just hard locks. Should i try stock clocks and enable LLC?

i mean, all this extra heat and abuse isn't worth the extra 100mhz over 4.1, but i was hoping to push the system to like 4.3-4.5 at least frown.gif

anyone have any ideas on how to make the system stable?
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Originally Posted by hannse12 View Post

so i just got a rig, and its a 8320 in a m5a97, and im using a h40 in push/pull to cool it.

i can get it stable at 4.1 @ stock voltage, but at 4.2 i cant seem to stabilize it frown.gif.

i've tried everything the guide tells me, and i seem to get all but the last core stable, it always has a warning, and then after 3 warnings, prime95 shuts it off.

my socket temps are reaching mid to high 70s though, but because of the h40 i do not have room for a fan over the northbridge / VRMs.
the cpu reaches max of 60.

i tried setting LLC to enable, but it boosts my voltage to like 1.53 and the computer just hard locks. Should i try stock clocks and enable LLC?

i mean, all this extra heat and abuse isn't worth the extra 100mhz over 4.1, but i was hoping to push the system to like 4.3-4.5 at least frown.gif

anyone have any ideas on how to make the system stable?

With that cpu cooler you are not going to reach 4.3-4.5 to be honest. The H40 is too weak.
As you reach high 70s on your socket temp you are already exceeding your max. Try reseating the cooler but I think you need to upgrade to go higher. 72c is the max recommended temp for the socket. You know this as you read the guide thoroughly.

The socket temp is the cpu temp....
Core temp are the cores inside the cpu, these may not exceed 62c.


EDIT:
Just did a short run of smallFFTs for you to compare the temps I have at 4.2(same cpu) with 1.45v with the H100 cooler.

Edited by Chopper1591 - 9/10/13 at 7:00am
    
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wow, thanks for the quick reply!

yeah, i know the h40 is quite underpowered, but i got it in a bundle consisting of 8gb crucial ballistix ram, a PII 965, a creative soundcard, the m5a97, and the h4 for 120 usd. after that, i had about 1 week to test it, get a 8320, and put it a suitcase to take to uni (im in germany now)

i will probably get a h80 or so, because im also running all of that with a 7950 in a sleeper case (its an older chieftec from the Pentium 4 era, because i really like the idea of a sleeper pc. i plan on modding it soon though, for better airflow.
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If you want to get a 4.3-4.5 GHz oc. I need a better cooler. Maybe a h80 could pull it off but I'm not sure. I use a swiftech h220 and it keeps my temps just under the thermal range. But I'm set up at 5.0ghz on a 8320.
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wow, thanks for the quick reply!

yeah, i know the h40 is quite underpowered, but i got it in a bundle consisting of 8gb crucial ballistix ram, a PII 965, a creative soundcard, the m5a97, and the h4 for 120 usd. after that, i had about 1 week to test it, get a 8320, and put it a suitcase to take to uni (im in germany now)

i will probably get a h80 or so, because im also running all of that with a 7950 in a sleeper case (its an older chieftec from the Pentium 4 era, because i really like the idea of a sleeper pc. i plan on modding it soon though, for better airflow.

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If you want to get a 4.3-4.5 GHz oc. I need a better cooler. Maybe a h80 could pull it off but I'm not sure. I use a swiftech h220 and it keeps my temps just under the thermal range. But I'm set up at 5.0ghz on a 8320.

Like he said. If you plan to buy something better get the h220 if you have the credits. Or at least an h100i or h110.
Like I said I have the h100 and mine struggles at around 4.7-4.8. But in my case the motherboard is also *****ing pretty hard. tongue.gif

IMO save the credits and go with the h220. That unit is also good for expanding later on. So you can add another radiator and cool the board and gpu for example.



EDIT:
Sorry for the language.
Edited by Chopper1591 - 9/10/13 at 9:32am
    
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so you really think its a thermal limit im hittting and at which point the cpu is failing the prime 95 test? i mean socket temps are definitely high, but he cpu is staying under 60. I will mos likely upgrade the cpu cooler, either to a water cooler, or a high end air cooler, and possibly mod my 7950 with the h40 cooler. I am just amazed that a 100mhz difference could be the difference between stock clocks and having to push a whole lot of voltage through!

well, thanks for your help, guess ill just settle for 4.1ghz atm, knowing there is more the squeeze out of the chip down the road.

also, from what i read, the m5a97 has some serious issues with LLC, which to my understanding is used to combat vdrop. could it be that because i have LLC on auto, that the processor just doesn't get enough voltage under load to keep the 4.2ghz clock speed without getting errors in prime95?
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The more you push a CPU (either clock speed or its voltage) it'll generate more heat.

How I saw it that its easier to manage a higher clock speed at stock volts. then let's say a 4.4ghz clocked CPU but at 1.38v. The difference can be a 5* jump with ease.

If your going to buy a new CPU cooler look at the radiator materials. Copper is best which is why I got the swiftech h220. Its a little higher than the others buts its worth it. I think its about $150 range
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so you really think its a thermal limit im hittting and at which point the cpu is failing the prime 95 test? i mean socket temps are definitely high, but he cpu is staying under 60. I will mos likely upgrade the cpu cooler, either to a water cooler, or a high end air cooler, and possibly mod my 7950 with the h40 cooler. I am just amazed that a 100mhz difference could be the difference between stock clocks and having to push a whole lot of voltage through!

well, thanks for your help, guess ill just settle for 4.1ghz atm, knowing there is more the squeeze out of the chip down the road.

also, from what i read, the m5a97 has some serious issues with LLC, which to my understanding is used to combat vdrop. could it be that because i have LLC on auto, that the processor just doesn't get enough voltage under load to keep the 4.2ghz clock speed without getting errors in prime95?

If you are hitting mid 70's on the Socket Temp, then it will cause the CPU to throttle. That will make the voltages fluctuate like crazy and usually throws an error (generally on the weakest core that is most voltage sensitive).

There is issues with LLC on the M5A97 Boards. Some work with Auto, some work with Enabled, it's really hit or miss on what will actually work. That's something you should definitely play around with as each board seems to be different.

On that board you can generally get a stable 4.4-4.6Ghz Overclock. So take that into consideration when looking at your cooling. On average I have been able to get 8150's and 8350's into the 4.6Ghz range on a $30 air cooler with ambient temps of 22c-24c. There isn't much difference between 8X20's and 8X50's until you get into the 4.8Ghz range so it should hold true for your CPU as well.

You might even be able to pull it off with that H40 after you mod your case for better airflow as it's suppose to be within 4-5C of the Hyper 212 Evo, but with the H40 in push/pull it might be exactly the same anyways. Just make sure to use high pressure fans on the H40 or it will work like garbage.

Another thing you can play around with is to take the back panel off your case and put a fan blowing on the back of the socket. Some have seen a 10-15C drop in Socket temp and ~4C drop in Package temp. If it works good for you, that'd be a great first Mod.
Edited by ComputerRestore - 9/11/13 at 9:23am
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