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post #3691 of 4095
Hello, I would like to start by thanking you for such a proper guide which seems far more specific than others on the internet.

I have a persistent problem with my overclock. My computer keeps freezing at certain OC settings, sometimes even when reverting to last known stable OC point. No core failures on Prime95 detected.
Before I provide details, I would like to mention a few of my observations:

My PC freezes with unstable OC when:
- I press "PLAY" button in League of Legends in menus (Adobe Air app, no game running!)
- I exit full-screen video stream from a website and scroll down a list of hundreds of episodes
- I run Prime95 test for at least 5-10 minutes (duh)

Since freezes happen even at low usage, I doubt it's a temperature problem. Also please note that Windows 10 amplified this issue. I do not recall such freezes in Windows 7. Randomly adding voltage increases freeze risk.
Anyway, details below:

- OS: Windows 10 Home 64-bit
- CPU: AMD FX-8320 Vishera 32nm Technology (3500 MHz stock speed, approx. 1.245 V stock)
- RAM: 8.00GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 802MHz (11-11-11-28) HyperX Blu
- Mobo: M5A97 R2.0 (Socket 942)
- GPU: 2048MB ATI AMD Radeon R9 200 Series (270 I think)
- SSD: 223GB OCZ-VERT EX460 SATA Disk Device
- PSU: Corsair CX750
- CPU cooler: HyperEVO 212
- CPU temp read at max stress: 65 C

BIOS settings:
- D.O.C.P. Profile
- Disabled AMD Turbo Core and spread spectrum for CPU and PCIe
- Enabled LLC for CPU
- Auto on CPU/NB LLC
- Auto on all voltages except CPU
- Bus at 200 MHz
- PCIe frq. on Auto
- Memory frq. is 1600 MHz
- Stable multiplier = 19.0 (3.8 GHz) at stock voltage
- All other settings untouched



After using your guide, I successfully reached 3.8 GHz on stock voltage (1.25 V) and tested with Prime95.
After increasing to 3.9GHz, the PC froze on second Prime95 test (after 10 min from start)
After reverting to 3.8 GHz, it froze AGAIN. After a restart with with same settings, Prime95 was okay again, no freezing.
After adding +3 increments to CPU voltage at 3.8 GHz, PC froze.


Any details I didn't list?
Edited by Arcus215 - 2/22/16 at 2:27pm
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Originally Posted by The Sandman View Post

Notice the crazy high CPU/NB voltage in bios (1.45v) when left on "Auto"?
When left on auto it is very common with the Asus Bios to over volt the CPU/NB, (depending on the mobo).
Default from AMD is usually much closer to 1.125 to 1.25v. You need to locate your chips default value using HWInfo64.

Here's what my FX6350's CPU VID and CPU/NB VID look like on my M5A99FX-Pro running HWInfo64, first two values under the Maximum tab. If you need help to reconfigure HWInfo just ask. These are about all the useful values I could find for this M5A99FX-Pro. CPU Core Temp is labeled CPU Core #0 in HWInfo64. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Excess voltage will cause instability the same way as over voltage. Best to start with default values (manually entered) and make small increases/retest.

This how my CHV-Z Bios looks for what I call "My Default Bios". It's basically the CHV-Z default settings (notice the difference when my CPU/NB is left on auto?) but all the Dram info found on the sticker on the dram itself is manually entered along with most of the freqs.
I'd recommend you also manually enter your chips CPU VID and CPU/NB VID values and start from there. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)





It's not uncommon for the AMD platform to require up to .05v to .1v Dram voltage even for default settings.
Using four Dimms will create more stress on the IMC than just two. This may require additional CPU/NB voltage, start w/default and make small changes and retest.

The failures you're seeing in Prime95 are most likely related to this area. Start with a stronger bios setup
Please re-post these I cannot enlarge them to read (am I the only one)?
When testing it's best to only run one monitoring utility and please take a little time to rearrange it so it's usable/helpful like this biggrin.gifWarning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


Ok, so I did that, firstly tried the voltages (CPU and CPU-NB) at 1.25v, (and reduced NB Clock to the default 2.200Mhz, but that cost me 10% Memory Read/Write Speed at Aida64) everything fine, passes on IntelBurnTest, but not on Prime95 (as always). here is the info from HWInfo64;
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


So I tried with 1.20v on both, and put the NB Clock at 2.600Mhz again, still passes on InterBurnTest, but not on Prime95, here are the info from HWInfo64.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


I tried at 1.15v but couldn't boot, so I'm using this right now.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Clocks.png

Voltages.png

I end up changing the LLC settings to match the recommended on this tutorial too.

LLC.png

Edited by A-rank - 2/23/16 at 9:49am
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Cool, I manage to run it on the 1.60v recommended, but on my first tryes I had to use 1.61v but was afraid of damaging the memory's, good to know.

Acctually I'm using 4 x 4GB dimms, I heard that I should maybe increase the IMC voltage (CPU / NB), already tried that with no luck.
Indeed I'm pretty sure it has something to do with the memory (indirectly), since it's the only thing I changed from default settings.
OK, I will try that once I get home, thanks alot for all that info. I will try to get the default values from HWInfo64 and start from there.
Sorry, I use 2 monitor's maybe it's because of that. I will re-run the tests and re-post it again later.

DDR3 is rated up to 1.9v but you'd never need any where near that much. My max is usually 1.7 to 1.75v.
Correct when using 4 dimms you may/probably need additional CPU/NB voltage but start with "solid" Bios settings with default CPU/NB VID and basically start over.
Remember make only small increases to one area at a time and retest. Keep good notes of settings with failure times, it helps.
Try Windows Snipping Tool to catch one monitor at a time? I also have dual monitors and this is what I've learned to do so other can have the option to make full screen.

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Originally Posted by Arcus215 View Post

Hello, I would like to start by thanking you for such a proper guide which seems far more specific than others on the internet.

I have a persistent problem with my overclock. My computer keeps freezing at certain OC settings, sometimes even when reverting to last known stable OC point. No core failures on Prime95 detected.
Before I provide details, I would like to mention a few of my observations:

My PC freezes with unstable OC when:
- I press "PLAY" button in League of Legends in menus (Adobe Air app, no game running!)
- I exit full-screen video stream from a website and scroll down a list of hundreds of episodes
- I run Prime95 test for at least 5-10 minutes (duh)

Since freezes happen even at low usage, I doubt it's a temperature problem. Also please note that Windows 10 amplified this issue. I do not recall such freezes in Windows 7. Randomly adding voltage increases freeze risk.
Anyway, details below:

- OS: Windows 10 Home 64-bit
- CPU: AMD FX-8320 Vishera 32nm Technology (3500 MHz stock speed, approx. 1.245 V stock)
- RAM: 8.00GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 802MHz (11-11-11-28) HyperX Blu
- Mobo: M5A97 R2.0 (Socket 942)
- GPU: 2048MB ATI AMD Radeon R9 200 Series (270 I think)
- SSD: 223GB OCZ-VERT EX460 SATA Disk Device
- PSU: Corsair CX750
- CPU cooler: HyperEVO 212
- CPU temp read at max stress: 65 C

BIOS settings:
- D.O.C.P. Profile
- Disabled AMD Turbo Core and spread spectrum for CPU and PCIe
- Enabled LLC for CPU
- Auto on CPU/NB LLC
- Auto on all voltages except CPU
- Bus at 200 MHz
- PCIe frq. on Auto
- Memory frq. is 1600 MHz
- Stable multiplier = 19.0 (3.8 GHz) at stock voltage
- All other settings untouched



After using your guide, I successfully reached 3.8 GHz on stock voltage (1.25 V) and tested with Prime95.
After increasing to 3.9GHz, the PC froze on second Prime95 test (after 10 min from start)
After reverting to 3.8 GHz, it froze AGAIN. After a restart with with same settings, Prime95 was okay again, no freezing.
After adding +3 increments to CPU voltage at 3.8 GHz, PC froze.


Any details I didn't list?

Welcome to OCN!

To help get you started,
give this a read when you have a little time http://www.overclock.net/t/1258253/how-to-put-your-rig-in-your-sig
it'll save you some time plus it makes it easier for those trying to help you. Good job so far biggrin.gif

Freezing as you described it is "usually" a lack of Dram voltage. Some times it can be a combination of CPU/NB and Dram voltage.

Read the last couple posts above and compare your bios settings. Too many items left on "Auto" is never a good thing. The more that is manually entered the better off you'll be.
I'd recommend dumping D.O.C.P. and manually entering ALL the Dram specs as explained above.

Setup HWInfo64, run a little IBT AVX and post a couple snips of your results.
The CPU temp you mentioned, socket or core temp? We'll need both.

I've also been battling Win10 with my OC, you're not alone lol.
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I know you said it passed IBT but I was hoping to see the results as it may give us a clue as to how your OC is performing.
Any chance you saved a copy?

Both you and Arcus215 could benefit from adding active cooling to the VRM/CPU Socket.
The stock HS fan will help lower socket temps when blowing onto this area. Zip ties will hold it in place.
I run one on both sides of my mobo and I'm all wet biggrin.gif
Edited by The Sandman - 2/22/16 at 4:03pm
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A-rank

I know you said it passed IBT but I was hoping to see the results as it may give us a clue as to how your OC is performing.
Any chance you saved a copy?

Both you and Arcus215 could benefit from adding active cooling to the VRM/CPU Socket.
The stock HS fan will help lower socket temps when blowing onto this area. Zip ties will hold it in place.
I run one on both sides of my mobo and I'm all wet biggrin.gif

Dammit, I did not save it, I didn't realized that there was anything that worth seeing in it. I will run it again, and post it later (btw I'm running it on Maximum, I think I forgot to mention it).
The problem with more fans is that I'm already running 2 fan's from each plug with a Y cable, so I don't have more plugs left on the mobo. I have 7 fans already and 2 on the processor.
I still have more one or two Y cables and 3 or 4 fans besides the HS, but I was afraid of connecting 3 fans on the same line and end up damaging it because of the extra current,
Edited by A-rank - 2/22/16 at 4:57pm
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Could always run VRM/Socket fan to a Molex with a DIY adapter at least for stress testing.
Might be time to think about a fan controller. biggrin.gif

When that OCing bug bites you can never have enough fan headers lol.
Wasn't too long ago I counted 21 fans in my rig. Down to just ten now.
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Only 21.... I wish. .. I spend more on fans then most on their entire rig, my tx10 will probably have 1500 in fans alone one of the reasons I am not building it just yet
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Could always run VRM/Socket fan to a Molex with a DIY adapter at least for stress testing.
Might be time to think about a fan controller. biggrin.gif

When that OCing bug bites you can never have enough fan headers lol.
Wasn't too long ago I counted 21 fans in my rig. Down to just ten now.

Holy, seriously? I tought I was already exaggerating.
I tought about buying a NZXT fan controller sometime ago, but I don't really like the idea of not controlling my fans from the mobo, but will think about that again.


Here is the result of the IBT, I runned it once, it's enough?
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

IntelBurnTest v2.54
Created by AgentGOD

Processor: AMD FX(tm)-8350 Eight-Core Processor
Clock Speed: 4,57 GHz
Active Physical Cores: 8
Total System Memory: 16299 MB

Stress Level: Maximum (14023 MB)
Testing started on 22/02/2016 21:59:53
Time (s) Speed (GFlops) Result
[22:23:51] 1334.756 37.8407 1.896785e+001
Testing ended on 22/02/2016 22:23:53
Test Result: Success.

And the print of the HWiNFO64:



By the way, you said about 1.70v - 1.75v on the DRAM, it's worth trying to increase mine voltage to try to tight even more the timmings? I had tryied before at 1.65v but couldn't stabilize at tCL9 nor reduce the tRAS from 11 nor 1T command rate.
At the moment I'm getting 29Mb read speed, 19Mb write speed and 26Mb copy speed with 60ns lateency. I think it's pretty good, isn't it? Or there is anything else I can try to improve here? I didn't change the secondary and terciary timmings, didn't study it enough to understand yet.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Edited by A-rank - 2/23/16 at 3:36am
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LOL, ya we are talking FX 8xxx/9xxx here.

Sorry man wrong version. Go here http://www.overclock.net/attachments/13202
GFlops are way too low, that's the non AVX version.

I never OC ram until after stabilizing CPU OC. Find maximum CPU first, than go after another area.
Let IBT AVX run for say 5 passes on very high, lets see what that looks like.

Should look more like this with just a little tuning biggrin.gifWarning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

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LOL, ya we are talking FX 8xxx/9xxx here.

Sorry man wrong version. Go here http://www.overclock.net/attachments/13202
GFlops are way too low, that's the non AVX version.

I never OC ram until after stabilizing CPU OC. Find maximum CPU first, than go after another area.
Let IBT AVX run for say 5 passes on very high, lets see what that looks like.

Should look more like this with just a little tuning biggrin.gifWarning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Ok, I will try it once I get home again. In the meanwhile I have one more doubt.
Are the higher clocks (5Ghz like yours) worth even with low CPU usage? Or it only show some performance gain under full load?
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