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Hi! First off:

MSI 870-G45 AM3 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard
AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor
500W Power supply
APEVIA X-JUPITER ATX Full Tower Case

Went from a Geforce GT 520 to:
Geforce GTX 560

The computer is set up well to overclock, case has 4 fans and the mother board is loaded with nice overclock features. Before i upgraded video card, i had to CPU overclocked from 3.2 to 3.8 with no issues and low temps. After install i can only run the computer stable at 2.5.

If you look at motherboard I linked above you see the South bridge sits right where the video card would be. My old card was small so this wasnt an issue. The new card covers 70% of the South bridge with less than a cm of distance between the card and the heat sink from bridge.

If i run at 2.8 or higher the machine will shut down a few minutes into anything high performance (gaming). Idols fine with no issues, although the south bridge at idol is near 40C before i start gaming and quickly rises, so i figured the issue was the mother board was overheating and a thermal shut down was happening during high performance.

I opened the side of the case and placed a large 2 feet by 2 feet floor fan nearby and ran it. South bridge temp dropped from 40C to about 26C so i thought for sure i could run back at 3.2 as a test. However a couple minutes in the system restarted again and i could smell something burning.

I'm stuck trying to determine if the problem is heat or if its Power. The new card required 2 black 6 pins from PSU and specs ask for 450W power supply. Worried between the new card and all the case fans, CPU, etc that during high performance im just not getting enough power to sustain the build.

Looking for help on 2 fronts; Need advice on setting this system up with better cooling, and curious if my problem might be power related.

If its just heat, i can upgrade CPU heatsink/fan and add a top mount fan blowing in, if its power ill need to upgrade to higher Watt power supply. Dont want to upgrade power supply unless it's necessary.

Also, i was thinking i could move Video card to bottom mother board slot. Pro is its away from the South Bridge, negative is the fan will sit less than an inch from bottom of case so card temp might go up. Will leaving top slot empty and placing card on bottom effect card graphic capability any?

Thanks for any help and advice!
post #2 of 17
could you post a link to your psu?
your motherboard is not built for overclocking. 4+1 msi motherboards are known to go pop.
see here under msi.
i'd say those are the two limiting factors to your system.
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What PSU?
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Had to open case to check power supply. Came with the case,

http://www.xpcgear.com/cw500p4.html
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Had to open case to check power supply. Came with the case,

http://www.xpcgear.com/cw500p4.html

"Super high efficiency and realiability" i doubt that it's capable of outputting 500w, your motherboard is not built for overclocking nor is that psu. they should be replaced.

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Had to open case to check power supply. Came with the case,

http://www.xpcgear.com/cw500p4.html
Look ing at the specs it looks like it has no PCI-E cables which means you're likely using two molex to PCI-E, I would dvise to upgrade the psu first as that's more than likely your issue.

Here's a link with the AMP info TD

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1899456

Looking at this it seems to have 16 and 18 amp rails and you're probably overloading one or maybe both if they don't actually give 16/18 when at full load.
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Had to open case to check power supply. Came with the case,

http://www.xpcgear.com/cw500p4.html

That thing looks like a fire hazard waiting to happen you should replace it even if the PSU is not be the problem
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Not too sure the requirements for SLI far as power goes, but is it worth it to upgrade to a 750 or even 1000 W power supply since im upgrading anyways? would rather spend 90-100$ now instead of 60$ now and another 80$ in a year or so when i decide to pop a second card into the case.

Also, im worried the south bridge heatsink is 70-80% covered with less than 1 cm of clearance from the GTX 560 video card and is definitely at least 10C hotter than before. Is it worth moving the video card down to the bottom slot? The card will run hotter because of clearance from bottom of case, but the south bridge will be open to air flow again. Not sure if that will cause issues from the mother board side, do i need the card to be in top slot?

If this south bridge is going to give me trouble when i upgrade to second card ether way, then i'll have to look into replaceing the heatstink with something else due to clearance issues, or get a new mother board all together. Curious what you all think.

Thanks again for all the support so far.
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