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3570k
229.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504

G.Skills Ripjaws 2x4GB 2133
49.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231468

Logitech K400 Wireless KB and w/pad
29.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126264

PNY 670 GTX
299.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133452

Rosewill Capstone 450w 80plus gold
69.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182261

Samsung 840 256 GB
179.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147189

Asus P8Z77-I Deluxe/WD
199.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131932

Coolermaster RC-120A
39.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119261


Im sitting right at $1100 right now. My current desktop has a 670 GTX already, so I can transfer the 670 GTX in the HTPC to SLI my other rig and get a comparable performance card that uses less wattage in a year or two... which will also keep my main rig going strong. Win 8 will be the OS. I'd considered an A10-5800k based rig on the cheap but I don't think I'll be happy with the APU alone even out of the box and add a discrete card will yield poor performance compared to an intel chip. I want something the wife can play in the living room on an Xbox controller and myself on my PC that'll get a Blu-ray drive and a large HDD eventually. I've got 200+ games in my steam library and have only used the PS3 for a blu-ray/netflix device since i bought it in '08, execept for maybe 3 or 4 games. The games look poor, are choppy and while she loves a controller, I hate 'em. Neither of us have ever played the console online... via PSN, and don't have any intention of ever getting an Xbox for their live thing.

Just looking for something to skip the next generation of consoles and open the door for steam in the living room.

I just tried out Portal 2 Coop w/her using out old Samsung lappy w/a Xbox controller w/me on the PC and it was a blast.
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My friend built a system with that case. It is quite small, but he found the fans to be a bit distracting at times. Just something to think about if you're going to use it in an HTPC scenario.
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I did see it had a non functional 120/140mm fan due to its front panel. I have a few quiet 92 and 120mm fans already I figured I can add. To swap out. I'd like to go midrange water cooling at a later date on the cpu. I intend to undervolt and possibly underclock the 3570k initially and will OC as needed when the next gen consoles arrive and provide a bottleneck.

I need a case that isnt filled w/leds to attract my 2 year old and 6 month old childs attention and want one that'll take a standard size PSU. It also needs room for a full sized gpu. Im interested in function over form. Any suggestions would be great, but Im not going to go much over 100 for a case. Id originally thought to go the cheap route w/an APU, but I figured itd be a major compromise and not age well. I know there will be an upgrade path to a a10-6800k, but it still wont hold a candle to an intel+ midrange gpu pairing. Sadly your limited to pairing the current apu to a pretty poor line of gpus. One you get a good gpu in ATI line you dont even use the APU, and you might have just looked for a better, less power hungry CPU. Id consider an i3 if not for me wanting this thing to game well for around 5 years.

I dont want/need a 670 in it.... but I sold a pair of 460s this past year and got the 670s. One would have worked great but I didnt have this buildin mind. Since I know I'll Sli it in the next year or two I figured Id just bite the bullet. In another gen or two, Im sure a midrange card would easily beat a 670... and thatd be an upgrade path both for the htpc and my desktop.
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Maybe rose will has changed but I have had terrible luck with there psu's in the past other than that sweet build
    
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Yeah, I sort'a thought the same thing... but it had decent reviews and was a 80+ gold PSU. Kind'a on the low side of what I need for power, but w/no initial OCing need and a future GPU coming in at likely lower watage levels, I though it'd suffice.

I'm in the 1100-1200 range...

I've looked at scapping the GPU, CPU, and mobo, shaving $700+ and looked at an A-10 5800k mobo combo w/no GPU for about $200 for the pair... but I'm concerned w/the longetivety. I know a 6800k is in the works as Haswell is around the corner as well, which may yield some good things. I doubt a 6800k is going give give even good mid-range gaming... the 5800k doesn't, at least in my opinion. My goals are just unrealistic for an APU... 1080 gaming at high settings at 30-60 fps w/2-4x AA, 16x AF and max details, though I'll go low on the shadows if need be. While I'd be content, for now, with something w/similar PS3/Xbox360 performance, it will need to be able to meet/exceed the next gen consoles in visual quaility and consistent framerates. I know my old PS3 is choppy for the couple games I've seen it play in the last few years. Considering it's a nvidia 7xxx series GPU equivalent, it's not surprising. My first GPU was a 7600 GT and it's been delagated to run video in a spare parts build for a family member... but it's worthless for games.

The only thing I could see going for it is that it can be coupled w/better GPUs and still use the APU. I see that as the biggest drawback of the 5800k. As good as it's value is, the only way I can still use it's APU is combine it w/a crummy GPU. I'd rather spend a bit more and get better performance.

I'm kind'a torn... spend $1200 now and lock into a 1155 platform (which has awesome mobos) or $600-700 and go FM2... with a route to a A10 6800k... or sell the mobo/cpu on ebay and throw that at Haswell. Plus, I only see one ITX mobo as an option for FM2, an Asrock which is a fire hazard. Going micro-atx will add about $50 to the build to step away from that case and go w/a Silverstone I like. All the budget FM2s also will need a wireless card/bluetooth... so their start nickel and diming me away from good value.

I've been looking at cheap used GPUs as well... while the 4xx series nvidias have held their value, you can snag a thristy but still serviceable 260 gtx for $30-40. I even saw a old G92 8800 GTS passively cooled for ~$30. At one time or another, I've owned all of them so I know what to expect. I doubt the APU on the 5800k can still run w/those cards. Maybe the 8800 G80/G92 era cards... but I'd have to see it to believe it.

So... $600-700 to limp along or $1200, but to be locked into what I have.

I really, *really* like this board.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131932

There's nothing I can find in FM2 that really interests me, and again, there are no good ITX options I can find. I can see this board coupled w/the power of a 3570k keeping this system going w/some nice bells and whistles for a long time. WiDi may never catch on but it looks really cool. Good clocker, plus Blutooth and Wifi already installed. I have a x79 w/a 3820 I've enjoyed (thinking IB-E was a good upgrade path, looks like it may be a bust)... but I had a 775 build that went from a E6600 to a Q6600 for about 5 years... so I like builds to last a long time, so long as they're still doing what I need to keep me happy. The cpu bottleneck finally chased me away from 775, and that was w/a 3.8 Ghz OC on the Q6600.
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Well, I snagged it. Swapped the SSD for a slightly smaller, cheaper but higher performing model and added a 2 TB WD Green but it's basically the same setup... sitting around $1200. Yikes!

The Wi-fi Go! remote desktop feature finally sold me on it. The wife kicks around w/the tablet a lot and she can control her desktop from it.

I was hurting to hit the 'buy' button... then I remembered I'd paid ~$1700 for my first full build 5-6 years ago, w/it's G80 8800 GTS and E6600... and which didn't have anything like the functionality of this unit. From being able to be controlled by a tablet to playing double duty as a router and WiDi someday (probably will be a technological dead end) ...it's an amazing piece of hardware.

I hate to say it, but my partial spare parts build that set me up w/a 3820, X79 mobo and 670 GTX surrounded by old periphals and older SSD/HDD will likely not keep up w/it.

Can't wait for the thing to come in and setup. I've already made a second steam account to buy games as they go on mad sales to play co-op. It may be more small form factor PC than traditional HTPC, but I'll be looking forward to trying out all it's bells and whistles.

I have learned a lesson though. While I usually keep all my old hardware, I pretty much used it all up in a couple spare parts builds for family before I moved. Any number of combos would have made a decent HTPC gaming build for 1/4-1/3 the price of what I just did. Could'a-should'a-would'a held onto some of my old hardware. I just never saw going back to LGA 775 or using DDR2 again.
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You cheated your steam box runs windows! Steams Steam Box runs Linux smile.gif
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You cheated your steam box runs windows! Steams Steam Box runs Linux smile.gif

...dual boot.
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Here is a quick build eventhough you bought some of the parts already. tongue.gif
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CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H80i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($92.09 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77E-ITX Mini ITX LGA1155 Motherboard ($144.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1.5TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($98.97 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PNY GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($358.26 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: BitFenix Prodigy (White) Mini ITX Tower Case ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($85.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1197.26
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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