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Hey,
I've been researchin' 'n' frettin' about building my first computer for almost a year now, I've decided to take the plunge and was wondering if ya'll might cast your eyes over parts I think will serve me best over the next 5 years. I'll be watching movies, surfing and hopefully some day in the future, gaming.

I reckon the motherboard and CPU are the most important components to begin with so I've chosen the sabretooth z77 and i5-3570K

I prefer to shop amazon.

Unfortunately, I'm broke and will have to buy components as I accrue the money, until then I would like to try to utilize whatever I have lying around: here are the parts that will comprise my new computer:

Case: Hewlett Packard XW8000 workstation (using it's current 450W PSU & Dvd burner etc)
Monitor: Panasonic Viera TH 42 PV2
SSD: 90GB OCZ Agility 3

I'm hoping to get the thing up and running with the addition of 16 GB 1600 Ram and Win 7: because I won't be installing a graphics card (hoping the ivy bridge onboard graphics will do) until I've saved up the money.

So there it is. Sure it's patchy, a mixture of the ancient and the new, but will it fly, I've no idea.

Any thoughts, observations or advice would be much appreciated.
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Motherboard is overpriced, and unneeded. Get a ASRock Extreme6 or Gigabyte Z77X-UD3H instead. Get a decent case, seriously, in the $60-100 range there are tons of options with much better Airflow and Cable Management. I wouldn't want to stick a toasty Ivy Bridge in a sub par case. Also, plan on getting aftermarket cooling as well. Perhaps a Thermalright TrueSpirit 140 or CM Hyper 212 Evo. Should be more than enough. Also, with only a 90GB SSD there's not much you can do with that besides a boot drive. I hope you have an HD handy for storage. Otherwise you can get a decent 1TB drive for $80.
Edited by BiG StroOnZ - 1/13/13 at 1:37pm
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Motherboard is overpriced, and unneeded. Get a ASRock Extreme6 or Gigabyte Z77X-UD3H instead.

Yeh, back a ways I seriously considered the gigabyte MB but read about a bios updating issue (a boot loop problem) that put me off it - I want to have a smooth low stress 1st build.
I'll definitely take a look at that ASrock though.
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Get a decent case, seriously, in the $60-100 range there are tons of options with much better Airflow and Cable Management. I wouldn't want to stick a toasty Ivy Bridge in a sub par case.

ok, the XW8000 is a non-starter?
What about this Antec One Midi Tower Case
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Also, plan on getting aftermarket cooling as well. Perhaps a Thermalright TrueSpirit 140 or CM Hyper 212 Evo.

Too pricey, £36. I'll have to go with the stock cooler to start, they're both cool coolers tho.
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Also, with only a 90GB SSD there's not much you can do with that besides a boot drive. I hope you have an HD handy for storage. Otherwise you can get a decent 1TB drive for $80.

Yeh, the SSD will get a boost in storage, a storage drive when I can afford it.

What do you think about the PSU that comes with the HP workstation, do you think it'll safely run an ASrock z77? Or should I get a new PSU? It's a 450W
Edited by citizenjon - 1/13/13 at 2:15pm
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There's really no such thing as true future proofing unfortunately. The best advice I could give would be to wait for intel's next generation Haswell CPUs as they will utilize the 1150 socket which intel may use into 2014.
     
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Yeh, back a ways I seriously considered the gigabyte MB but read about a bios updating issue (a boot loop problem) that put me off it - I want to have a smooth low stress 1st build.
I'll definitely take a look at that ASrock though.
ok, the XW8000 is a non-starter?
What about this Antec One Midi Tower Case
Too pricey, £36. I'll have to go with the stock cooler to start, they're both cool coolers tho.
Yeh, the SSD will get a boost in storage, a storage drive when I can afford it.

What do you think about the PSU that comes with the HP workstation, do you think it'll safely run an ASrock z77? Or should I get a new PSU? It's a 450W

You won't be disappointed with the ASRock.

That Antec case is actually pretty nice for the money. Not a bad find at all.

Yeah, if you do decide to start stock. Do not try to overclock.

I wouldn't put a potentially new system, that may be overclocked on an OEM PSU. Sure it might be fine for the time being but when you add a video card, a HD, an aftermarket cooler and start overclocking, that's when things get worrisome IMO. Find a Rosewill CAPSTONE-450. Should suit you nicely.
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You won't be disappointed with the ASRock.

That Antec case is actually pretty nice for the money. Not a bad find at all.

Yeah, if you do decide to start stock. Do not try to overclock.

Great, so I'll go for the case, with stock cooler.
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I wouldn't put a potentially new system, that may be overclocked on an OEM PSU. Sure it might be fine for the time being but when you add a video card, a HD, an aftermarket cooler and start overclocking, that's when things get worrisome IMO. Find a Rosewill CAPSTONE-450. Should suit you nicely.

But for starters, I mean bare bones thrifty, could I utilize that old HP OEM PSU until I can afford a new PSU?
Incidentally, the Rosewill Capstone 450w is not available on amazon.co.uk (only newegg) so I won't be getting it - what about this Corsair (750W)? I know it's pricey but my priority is to build a viable stable future-proof (5 years) system, that I can upgrade as time goes by. I wouldn't even consider my first overclock ever before I've got the right parts (CPU cooler, PSU, GPU, ram) as it would likely lead to disaster.
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There's really no such thing as true future proofing unfortunately. The best advice I could give would be to wait for intel's next generation Haswell CPUs as they will utilize the 1150 socket which intel may use into 2014.

Cool, however the Haswell doesn't get released until June 2nd 2013 and I won't probably get my hands on it 'till next July/August, that's over half a year wait that I simply couldn't bear - I want to take the plunge now, or else I'll spend another year fantasizing and revising my component list.

I see what you mean though, perhaps I should downgrade my processor to a i5 2500k, it's cheaper and 'sides, I won't be overclocking it at first and then upgrade further down the line to an Ivy Bridge or Haswell.
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Cool, however the Haswell doesn't get released until June 2nd 2013 and I won't probably get my hands on it 'till next July/August, that's over half a year wait that I simply couldn't bear - I want to take the plunge now, or else I'll spend another year fantasizing and revising my component list.

I see what you mean though, perhaps I should downgrade my processor to a i5 2500k, it's cheaper and 'sides, I won't be overclocking it at first and then upgrade further down the line to an Ivy Bridge or Haswell.

if you get a 2500/3570 AND PLAN on getting haswell in the future, youll be forced to change your moobo as well cause haswell is a different socket (1150)

i say get a cheap build going now till haswell gets released if you really cant wait
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if you get a 2500/3570 AND PLAN on getting haswell in the future, youll be forced to change your moobo as well cause haswell is a different socket (1150)

i say get a cheap build going now till haswell gets released if you really cant wait

Which brings me back to the future-proofing issue; is an ASrock extreme6 really the right choice if I want this build to upgradable say a year from now.
Bit of a 'which comes first, chicken or egg' question isn't it?
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I think first you need to ask yourself what is more important. Getting the rig now or waiting 6 months for Haswell. Since you've already answered that question we move onto the next one.

What is the rig for? Again you answered. Everyday computing and hopefully gaming. Cool that moves us along.

So what you need is either an i5 3570K/2500K or an AMD FX-8350. Personally I think the 3570K is the way to go with most builds. Yes the 1155 socket is dead. Big whoop. With a good 4.4-4.6ghz overclock on the 3570K you won't need a new CPU until the 1150 socket is dead too. Which means in my view you don't need to wait for Haswell, just get the 3570K with a CM Hyper 212 Evo on it. Skip Haswell and Broadwell, then look to upgrade with Skylake.

The Extreme 6 is probably more motherboard than you need if you are looking at gradual upgrading. Both the Extreme 3 and 4 allow you to Crossfire and SLI and are a fair bit cheaper than the 6. The only question you need to ask yourself is how many SSD's/HDD's are you eventually going to use. If the answer is more than 2 SSD's then get the Extreme 4. Otherwise the Extreme 3 will allow you to use 2 SSD's and up to 4 HDD's. Plenty really. Though you can probably find the Extreme 4 for around the same price as the 3 so really that is a no brainer.

Yes the OEM PSU will suffice for the time being but like you already said, no overclocking until you get something well made. thumb.gif

Dell airflow is real bad, any number of relatively cheap mid-tower's will improve air flow, look better and well...they won't be dell tongue.gif

Anyway enough talk, I'll use PCPartPicker UK to give you some idea of kit and prices. wink.gif

Things you'll need to begin with.
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£160.74 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£101.98 @ Dabs)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£38.99 @ Aria PC)
Total: £301.71

Things that are a must for overclocking.
Case: Antec Three Hundred Two ATX Mid Tower Case (£51.97 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply:SeaSonic 520W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£69.17 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£25.45 @ Scan.co.uk)
Total: £146.59

Parts that will improve gaming performance.
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£34.50 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card (£182.87 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £217.37

Overall Total: £665.67

You could also consider an Nvidia GPU instead (Like a 660Ti or 670). They tend to be superior cards in general. It's that AMD's offerings are cheaper and overclock more easily.

Anyway, I hope this was helpful mate.
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