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There is no doubt about that you bring extraordinary cases to the enthousiasts.
Mass-produced cases are as unfunctional crap as possible.

Your cases are optimized for fan- or watercooling. But out there you will find a third category of computers that may be good enough to enjoy your support.

These are no-noise computers. They are no-noisy as they have no moving parts. No fans, no HDDs. They operate with SSDs and convection-cooling.

All components for such computers are available with no problems. But the case is not. Even not at Caselabs.

These cases should go for maximized air ventilation holes and flexible mainboard mount.

- Fexible mainboard mount: No need for removable mainboard trays. But for the possibility to turn the ATX-mounted board inside the case. The case must give the opportunity to mount the board including the IO-panel totally inside it. This means, that one can assemble the board with the IO-panel on the left side as it is ATX standard. But no part of the board including the IO-panel can be seen from the outside.
Also you can decide to turn the board by 90 degrees and have the IO-panel at the top. Or turn it by 180 degrees for the panel being at the right side. This is some kind of BTX mount. But it is in the left side of the computer with the IO-panel pointing towards the HDD cage.
This means that all the cables are inserted into the case through a hole in the back of the case. As the board is totally surrounded by the case all connections to the IO-panel are made inside the case.
Last one can mount the board in an 270 degree angle letting the IO-panel point to the bottom. I need not to explain how good heat could convect away from a turned board.
It is clear that the back side of the case would not have any mobo cutouts. Only ventilation holes and a big hole for all the cables to enter the case.
This is not my idea but was already realized by Silverstone in the Raven Case. But it was not done well there to fit my needs.

- Maximized ventilation holes. You do not maximize your ventilation holes. Your ventilated mobo doors only show a ventilated area of about 30 percent.
The cable door is hardly ventilated at all. The bottom is not ventilated at all or is only prepared for fans. A ventilation is needed in the bottom for a chimney effect.
The ventilated tops are only ventilated in the middle. This is 50 percent loss of possibilities.
There is no ventilated PSU hole cover.

These are my main concerns and needs for my Caselabs case. I am shure you would custum bulid me my case. But this would rise the case to much more than $1500 I guess.
So this is no way.

I think I am not the only one with such wishes. Could it be possible that you offer the missing parts for my convection case rebuild on a regular basis? You could do it at first for just one single top selling model to check the market.

Thank you for your attention
Edited by Dogsear - 1/13/13 at 6:38pm
post #2 of 15
Passive cooling will only get you so far anyways.... Even if you fabricate your own custom heatsinks, there is an limit on what components you can install anyways.

Completely passive is a very niche market since the vast majority are ok with inaudible cooling.
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Yes, there is a limit in available components. But I do not go for maximized speed. I am on the low end with my components and have no problems with them. That means that my components are not mainstream and that they are expensive.
Even a 95W CPU-Cooler is available, the Nofan CR95.
Only with the case there are issues. Now I use some Antec Twelvehundred with removed fans and rebuild mobo door with partly missing window. This looks good, has plenty of space but does not go away without drilling holes. I want to go for a real good case.
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since the vast majority are ok with inaudible cooling.

The better the case, the more inaudible the cooling can be. One could use my desired case for a silent computer with some fans and much more powerfull components, too.
Edited by Dogsear - 1/13/13 at 6:56pm
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I don't know if we would get into passive cooling as such, but as I mentioned on another thread, I could see us eventually building "hardened" NEMA style enclosures. Our production floor (and everyone like us) is brutal on PC's bet we're dependent on them. By their nature, they could be made to be very quiet (mostly a function of fan selection) and would make good workstation/server enclosures. It will probably not happen until at least 2014 though...
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SORRY SIR, I am not really sure I understood your point.

Nema Style cases are kind of boxes to be used in big offices for installations and in fabs and so on?
Server racks are some special kind of NEMA boxes or can at least be a little compared?
Yeah, there are such boxes available in all sizes, shapes and prize categories and protection levels.
One could easily take a 18U cabinet and drill holes into it over and over. Next take a motherboard tray and HDD cage from for example a good sharkoon Rebel9 case and
mount it into the rack. This would be cheap even if one pays for drilling 1000 holes into the compartment. But that is not what I want.

Sorry, I just wanted a Caselabs case with optimized ventilation holes and turnable motherboard tray. This case would be perfect for silent and no noise computing as well.
Before starting to optimize components and fans a silent computer needs an optimized case with lots of holes in it. This has to be optimized first.

There are two ways to go for a silent computer.
1. Not use noisy components but drill many holes.
2. Drill no holes but isolate noise inside the compartment.
I want 1.

It could be a good looking one from Caselabs and would be real and could be ordered without DIY.
Doing it myself I nevertehless could use parts that you provide which can turn almost any server rack into a computer case.
Edited by Dogsear - 1/14/13 at 3:36pm
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You could get very close to that by ordering ventilated doors/cover and leaving rad mounts (top & bottom) open. Beyond that, it would start becoming much more specialized. What I was referring to has a "hardened" case that was much more protected from dust and the elements. In an office setting, they can be pretty quiet (but not as much a passive system would be - that's true).
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What I was referring to has a "hardened" case that was much more protected from dust and the elements. In an office setting, they can be pretty quiet
So I did understand you 50% right. CL will offer ready to use cases with protection for industrial or outdoor environment. Such cases might isolate noise better or just increase inside temperature.
We will have to wait.

Open rad mounts and fan holes are not an option for a $1000 investment incl. shipping and taxes to Europe. .



Thank you very much.
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turnable motherboard tray.

Silverstone has a patent on the 90 degree motherboard trays. Even approaching this is a sure way to invite a lawsuit.
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Unfortunately, that appears to be true. I haven't read through the patent, but I don't see us spending the $$$ to challenge it right now frown.gif It helps for a passively cooled case, but for an actively cooled one (i.e. fans), it's not a big deal wink.gif
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Unfortunately, that appears to be true. I haven't read through the patent, but I don't see us spending the $$$ to challenge it right now frown.gif

I think it's for fixed 90 degree motherboards. However, I can't think of a way you'd go about making a motherboard tray modularly rotatable without compromising the ability of the case to keep dust out and to have any sort of water cooling.
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It helps for a passively cooled case, but for an actively cooled one (i.e. fans), it's not a big deal wink.gif

I remember reading something back when the RV01 came out, where with the same setup in every popular tower (at the time) the Raven beat the next best tower by two degrees. So, it doesn't necessarily hurt, but I can't see the point in a watercooled case.
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