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But what if compared to the ASUS Z77-V? Although there's a price difference, I wouldn't mind it just to get ASUS as I really prefer ASUS's UEFI compared to ASRock's.... And all the ASRock's 555x marketing gimmicks make me a little uncomfortable.. Could ASRock be cutting costs somewhere, maybe?

Well go with your GUT. Just so you know, ASUS is really behind ASROCK. As they own the company that created ASRock. Therefore they created it... Good luck

P.S Asus does has the best UEFI, but ASRock's is the 2nd best & it's very similar.
 
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I did a ton more research and I think I'll be going with the ASUS Z77-V. Also, many thanks to all those who helped me! thumb.gif




To help those having the same dilemma as me that are reading this thread, the reasons I chose the Z77-V over the Z77-V LK & ASRock Extreme 4 is because:


1. I'm not sure if it is true, but I read that the Z77-V LK only allows CPU OC of up to 4.2GHz. Big bummer.

2. The Z77-V LK has only a 4+1+1 power phase whereas the Z77-V has a 12 power phase, same as the ASRock.

3. At first I thought ASRock's Gold Capacitors were a big deal. But it turns out to be another marketing sham. These capacitors are exactly the same as the ones found on ASUS MoBos (100% Japanese made), just that they're painted(plated?) gold.

4. The ASUS EUFI is much better looking!! (IMO) It also has a more user-friendly interface that includes an EZ-Mode which might come in handy for beginner OCers like me.

5. The Z77-V uses the Intel integrated LAN, which I read is better than the Realtek one used on the ASRock though I'm not sure why.

6. The softwares that come along with ASUS MoBos (AI Suite II) look much more useful and practical, not to mention the far superior software quality compared to ASRock's mediocre looking counterparts (although from the same parent company). Check out the full review I read on Anandtech about the softwares! (Link: http://tinyurl.com/ah4h47o)

7. The Z77-V's MoBo has excellent hardware for fan control to match up with the software that comes with it (FAN Xpert). I also read that ASRock's board has pretty poor fan controls. Not sure if it is true.

8. The Z77-V spots the Q-LEDs feature to make up for the lack of a debugger LED like the one ASRock has. (Not so much of a plus point as a better-than-nothing point.)

9. The Z77-V supports up to 3 way SLI or CrossFire compared to only 2 SLI or CF on ASRock although I have no need for either of those.

10. The Z77-V includes a WiFi receiver that doubles as a router or as a smart remote desktop controller. Not a very big selling point to me right now as I'm not sure of it's real world practicality. Also, I read reviews stating that the receiver is of a poor quality and isn't very fast when using the internet through WiFi. But although a poor receiver, for those who wouldn't pay just to get another receiver like me (because I mainly use LAN), it's better than nothing!

11. The Z77-V spots a hardware feature called the USB BIOS Flashback. Basically, it allows you to flash your BIOS without the need to turn on the PC at all. That means no need for a processor or rams or hard drives to be installed. ASRocks spots a similar BIOS-based feature called the Internet Flash. This connects your MoBo to the ASRock server to check for the latest BIOS versions and updates it accordingly. The plus side is that it may be more convenient, but it still requires the PC to be on. The USB BIOS Flashback is good for when you have a MoBo that doesn't support the current CPU you have without an update. This saves you from having to get another processor that currently works just to boot up to BIOS to update the firmware.

12. The Z77-V also includes a feature called USB Charger+ that supposedly charges devices up to 3x faster by using a USB 3.0 port on max ampere. I read that it is becoming a common feature amongst new MoBos but nevertheless, the ASRock lacks this feature.





These are the main reasons that I chose the ASUS Z77-V over the Z77-V LK and the ASRock Extreme 4. I am very aware however, that there is a price difference (~USD$35) between the Z77-V and the other 2 boards and it might be unfair to compare them this way. However, the plus points were more than enough to justify the slight extra cost, to me at least. Lastly, I also want to state that the ASRock board also spots a superior onboard Audio Chip compared to the other two despite being cheaper than the Z77-V and the Z77-V LK. A plus point for ASRock there.

All that said, I'll be off to build my new rig tomorrow! biggrin.gif But the bed must come first tongue.gif

And again, thanks for all the responses!

Cheers! cheers.gifbiggrinsmiley.gif
Edited by GabrielQ - 1/15/13 at 2:58pm
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Also the Extreme4 has D-PAK MOSFET which is ancient technology.
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I just read that the ASUS Z77-V LK has it's CPU's OC locked at max 4.2GHz?!? Is that true? If that's the case, I might seriously start considering the ASRock one!!

Not true, I had my OC @ 4.5 for a while. lowered it down to 4.2 cuz i didn't like my temps.
I was thinking the same thing before I got this board, you can't go wrong with either, i'd say just flip a coin!
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The Z77 V is a good board......
 
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I did a ton more research and I think I'll be going with the ASUS Z77-V. Also, many thanks to all those who helped me! thumb.gif



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To help those having the same dilemma as me that are reading this thread, the reasons I chose the Z77-V over the Z77-V LK & ASRock Extreme 4 is because:


1. I'm not sure if it is true, but I read that the Z77-V LK only allows CPU OC of up to 4.2GHz. Big bummer.

2. The Z77-V LK has only a 4+1+1 power phase whereas the Z77-V has a 12 power phase, same as the ASRock.

3. At first I thought ASRock's Gold Capacitors were a big deal. But it turns out to be another marketing sham. These capacitors are exactly the same as the ones found on ASUS MoBos (100% Japanese made), just that they're painted(plated?) gold.

4. The ASUS EUFI is much better looking!! (IMO) It also has a more user-friendly interface that includes an EZ-Mode which might come in handy for beginner OCers like me.

5. The Z77-V uses the Intel integrated LAN, which I read is better than the Realtek one used on the ASRock though I'm not sure why.

6. The softwares that come along with ASUS MoBos (AI Suite II) look much more useful and practical, not to mention the far superior software quality compared to ASRock's mediocre looking counterparts (although from the same parent company). Check out the full review I read on Anandtech about the softwares! (Link: http://tinyurl.com/ah4h47o)

7. The Z77-V's MoBo has excellent hardware for fan control to match up with the software that comes with it (FAN Xpert). I also read that ASRock's board has pretty poor fan controls. Not sure if it is true.

8. The Z77-V spots the Q-LEDs feature to make up for the lack of a debugger LED like the one ASRock has. (Not so much of a plus point as a better-than-nothing point.)

9. The Z77-V supports up to 3 way SLI or CrossFire compared to only 2 SLI or CF on ASRock although I have no need for either of those.

10. The Z77-V includes a WiFi receiver that doubles as a router or as a smart remote desktop controller. Not a very big selling point to me right now as I'm not sure of it's real world practicality. Also, I read reviews stating that the receiver is of a poor quality and isn't very fast when using the internet through WiFi. But although a poor receiver, for those who wouldn't pay just to get another receiver like me (because I mainly use LAN), it's better than nothing!

11. The Z77-V spots a hardware feature called the USB BIOS Flashback. Basically, it allows you to flash your BIOS without the need to turn on the PC at all. That means no need for a processor or rams or hard drives to be installed. ASRocks spots a similar BIOS-based feature called the Internet Flash. This connects your MoBo to the ASRock server to check for the latest BIOS versions and updates it accordingly. The plus side is that it may be more convenient, but it still requires the PC to be on. The USB BIOS Flashback is good for when you have a MoBo that doesn't support the current CPU you have without an update. This saves you from having to get another processor that currently works just to boot up to BIOS to update the firmware.

12. The Z77-V also includes a feature called USB Charger+ that supposedly charges devices up to 3x faster by using a USB 3.0 port on max ampere. I read that it is becoming a common feature amongst new MoBos but nevertheless, the ASRock lacks this feature.





These are the main reasons that I chose the ASUS Z77-V over the Z77-V LK and the ASRock Extreme 4. I am very aware however, that there is a price difference (~USD$35) between the Z77-V and the other 2 boards and it might be unfair to compare them this way. However, the plus points were more than enough to justify the slight extra cost, to me at least. Lastly, I also want to state that the ASRock board also spots a superior onboard Audio Chip compared to the other two despite being cheaper than the Z77-V and the Z77-V LK. A plus point for ASRock there.

All that said, I'll be off to build my new rig tomorrow! biggrin.gif But the bed must come first tongue.gif

And again, thanks for all the responses!

Cheers! cheers.gifbiggrinsmiley.gif

You definitely picked the better board. Neither the P8Z77-V LK nor the Z77 Extreme4 are great boards. In that price range, I always recommend the Biostar TZ77XE3 and sometimes the Gigabyte Z77X-D3H or MSI Z77A-GD55 fall into that range too. The ASRock just has incredibly low quality D-PAK MOSFETs in the VRM, lies about being digital PWM when the VRM is analog VRM (not a big deal, I just hate when companies lie about parts), and has an incredibly thin PCB. That's not even mentioning some of the UEFI issues some people have and some of the software they package with it that's essentially spyware/bloatware. The P8Z77-V LK is just too limited in what you can do with it. It's a better built board with a better UEFI, but it's incredibly limited feature wise. On the other hand, the Biostar, MSI, and Gigabyte all use high quality MOSFETs, have pretty solid feature sets, and are great for overclocking.

the board you picked out is more of the competition for the Gigabyte Z77X-UD3H or maybe the UD5H and the MSI Z77A-GD65. It's definitely a much better board than the budget ASRock and Asus boards you were looking at.
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GabrielQ wrote: ...1. I'm not sure if it is true, but I read that the Z77-V LK only allows CPU OC of up to 4.2GHz. Big bummer.

Whatever other reasons you have for your final choice thumb.gif , please note that the rumor that Asus P8Z77-V LK boards only clock to 4.2 GHz is nonsense (as some rumors tend to be).

Below is a screenshot of AIDA64 tests of Asus P8Z77-V LKs running at 4.833 GHz (3770K) and 4.560 GHz (3770 non-K, multiplier-locked but virtual machine enabled). All those rigs were running a full house of 32 GB Ram (1.65v G.Skill DDR3 2400), single or SLI GTX 670ies etc.

This was part of a build of 3 Ivy Bridge machines, with the two Asus P8Z77-V LKs getting finalized with the 3770 non-Ks for a virtual machine, after stress testing - the Asus P8Z77-V LKs were a real budget and performance surprise thumb.gif.

The 3770K went on to a Sabertooth Z77 (validated CPU-z here http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2653300, while the V-LK is also capable of 5 GHz plus performance.

All that said, it comes down to the options you want (ie WiFi etc), and I am sure you will enjoy your new 'V' very much - besides, if a V-LK can hit the discussed speeds, it is likely that a 'V can also...depending on the individual chip and cooling'.

As to ASRock, my only comment would be that there is a thread on overclock.net (with YouTube links) that show that some of them under-report actual voltages to CPU-Z...when you are past 5 GHz and have strict vCore limits, that stuff really matters...

Enjoy your new rig - and perhaps do a 'build-log' ? smile.gif

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The Z77 V is a good board......


Yes it is. But I just hope it lives up to it's "paper qualifications"!

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You definitely picked the better board. Neither the P8Z77-V LK nor the Z77 Extreme4 are great boards. In that price range, I always recommend the Biostar TZ77XE3 and sometimes the Gigabyte Z77X-D3H or MSI Z77A-GD55 fall into that range too. The ASRock just has incredibly low quality D-PAK MOSFETs in the VRM, lies about being digital PWM when the VRM is analog VRM (not a big deal, I just hate when companies lie about parts), and has an incredibly thin PCB. That's not even mentioning some of the UEFI issues some people have and some of the software they package with it that's essentially spyware/bloatware. The P8Z77-V LK is just too limited in what you can do with it. It's a better built board with a better UEFI, but it's incredibly limited feature wise. On the other hand, the Biostar, MSI, and Gigabyte all use high quality MOSFETs, have pretty solid feature sets, and are great for overclocking.

the board you picked out is more of the competition for the Gigabyte Z77X-UD3H or maybe the UD5H and the MSI Z77A-GD65. It's definitely a much better board than the budget ASRock and Asus boards you were looking at.


I sure hope so! tonguesmiley.gif And YES!!!!! That was exactly what turned me off so much about the ASRock boards.. The bundled softwares are so poorly developed they're essentially bloatware! But what really broke the deal for me was the unprofessionalism of the company... (at least for the marketing division) Go have a look at some of their "OFFICIAL" product demo videos on YouTube, it's so sad that you won't even know whether to laugh or cry LOL lmaosmiley.gif

(Links: 1. http://tinyurl.com/aq7dm5w 2. http://tinyurl.com/akq4qaj 3. http://tinyurl.com/afaasdt)

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Below is a screenshot of AIDA64 tests of Asus P8Z77-V LKs running at 4.833 GHz (3770K) and 4.560 GHz

Enjoy your new rig - and perhaps do a 'build-log' ? smile.gif


Those are some pretty high overclocks! I think :O But do you think my Cooler Master 412 Slim CPU cooler can manage the heat from these levels?

Oh and, what's a build-log? bigeyedsmiley.png
Edited by GabrielQ - 1/16/13 at 4:08am
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Go have a look at some of their "OFFICIAL" product demo videos on YouTube, it's so sad that you won't even know whether to laugh or cry LOL lmaosmiley.gif

For me that isn't a deciding factor when buying a motherboard. biggrin.gif
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For me that isn't a deciding factor when buying a motherboard. biggrin.gif

Yeah.. But it made me lose faith in the company as a whole confusedsmiley.pngtiredsmiley.gif
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