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PII @ 4.0Ghz should handle GPU stronger then HD 6850 no problem. I would says something like HD 7870 would do nicely.
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or a better gpu. using old driver . .

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/4228459

oh, it will bottleneck but it will double whatever fps op has rightnow. but i am with you with a better cpu.

i just noticed the last line,

if it's a cpu bottleneck then no, a better gpu (quad 680 for example) will not increase fps, let alone DOUBLE it.

again, if it's a cpu bottleneck.
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Funny how almost no one suggested a better cooler. I think I read you saying you have a good cooler but I also read you were getting artefacts and lower performance. When this happens it means the overclocks are not stable and you have to go back to the bios and continue tweaking. This most likely means it needs more voltages.
     
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In your case I'd try using older graphics drivers. Test the performance and see if there's a difference. I often encountered driver problems such as that - EVEN with artifacts sometimes.
But don't use super old drivers.
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"Bottlenecks" do not scale linearly

1. Skyrim: Go test different CPU clock speeds while looking at the big tree in Whiterun. If your framerate changes DRASTICALLY you might have CPU issues. With my Test Chamber ITX system (underclocked i7-2600 with hd 7750) I get frame rates just a little higher (45-50 fps), so you are really right on track for what you have.

2. GTA IV: Just lower settings, terrible port.

3. Bad Company 2: I don't know much about this game, but 45fps seems reasonable for what I have read.

I am fairly confident in saying that your CPU and GPU are well matched so you might perceive different "bottlenecks" in different scenarios coming from different hardware.

I came from having an HD5850 and my HD7750 isn't much slower. The HD6850 is just a tad slower than an HD5850 (~5%). I wouldn't worry too much. If you gaming is natural feeling just keep playing. I would say don't get too attached to numbers.
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Just to clarify if it hasn't already been done it is defiantly NOT a CPU bottleneck, I have the exact same CPU at stock running with a gtx 670 (which can cause some bottlenecking) but I can still get a near constant 60 fps on bf3 ultra (occasional dips below)at 1080p. Skyrim and BC2 seem reasonable fps results for a 6850 defiantly playable at post 40fps, gta4 should run better but it isnt fantasticly optomised for pc, if you can monitor your usage during game play on gpu/cpu it would help, but try a fresh install of latest amd drivers.

If you have a second monitor lying around or a TV just try using it as a second monitor, to monitor cpu/gpu usage in game and see if either are maxing out, hope that helps, good luck thumb.gif
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Just to clarify if it hasn't already been done it is defiantly NOT a CPU bottleneck, ... good luck thumb.gif

This, and I forgot to mention that you might want to look into another form of AA. I am using SMAA with skyrim (even on my ATIV Pro Tablet) and it gives better graphics quality at less of a performance hit. You can use it together with MSAA too which is nice. So you could drop your MSAA and crank up FXAA or SMAA thumb.gif

Here's a link to get you started: http://www.overclock.net/t/1296721/how-to-anti-aliasing-injection-fxaa-smaa-and-sweetfx
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Just to clarify if it hasn't already been done it is defiantly NOT a CPU bottleneck, I have the exact same CPU at stock running with a gtx 670 (which can cause some bottlenecking) but I can still get a near constant 60 fps on bf3 ultra (occasional dips below)at 1080p. Skyrim and BC2 seem reasonable fps results for a 6850 defiantly playable at post 40fps, gta4 should run better but it isnt fantasticly optomised for pc, if you can monitor your usage during game play on gpu/cpu it would help, but try a fresh install of latest amd drivers.

If you have a second monitor lying around or a TV just try using it as a second monitor, to monitor cpu/gpu usage in game and see if either are maxing out, hope that helps, good luck thumb.gif

i will try this, and also are there any specific monitering freeware you can reccomend?

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In your case I'd try using older graphics drivers. Test the performance and see if there's a difference. I often encountered driver problems such as that - EVEN with artifacts sometimes.
But don't use super old drivers.

any specific versions?

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Originally Posted by dizzy4 View Post

This, and I forgot to mention that you might want to look into another form of AA. I am using SMAA with skyrim (even on my ATIV Pro Tablet) and it gives better graphics quality at less of a performance hit. You can use it together with MSAA too which is nice. So you could drop your MSAA and crank up FXAA or SMAA thumb.gif

Here's a link to get you started: http://www.overclock.net/t/1296721/how-to-anti-aliasing-injection-fxaa-smaa-and-sweetfx

thanks for the info +rep to you all
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Well for gpu Gpu_Z, it shows temp and vram usage which can be usefull http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/
For cpu i would use all cpu meter, it shows all cores as some games wont utilise all cores you want to be able to see what the used cores are getting http://addgadgets.com/all_cpu_meter/
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Use HwInfo64 combined with Afterburner or Precision's on screen display. You can find a HwInfo tutorial here on OCN for doing this if you search. You'll be able to monitor GPU temps and usage, CPU temps and usage, memory usage, and more, all in real-time in the corner of the screen as you play.

Here is a tutorial from another site, I can't find the one here on OCN but I didn't exactly look hard for it.

Below is a screenshot of what you get when you're done.. it can be customized quite a bit in terms of color and data it shows you. I set the refresh time to 3 seconds so it doesn't bog down my CPU while gaming.


This can be useful for monitoring HW as well as looking for possible bottlenecks - however simply looking at core usage won't tell you if you're having a single or multi-threaded bottleneck so just keep that in mind.
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