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They probably finally updated it to match the Spam Squad requirements we had before.

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Alright, good enough for me. As long as I didn't use it improperly. Thanks guys, sorry for the de-rail redface.gif
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Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post

It is for spam as posted by spam bots and by people who are hired to post spam.  It is not for anything else.

Before Overclock.net switched to Huddler, we had something known as The Spam Squad.  You were a part of the Spam Squad if you had been here for 2 years and had 250 Rep points (or something like that).  The members of The Spam Squad had the ability to report a post as spam.  So now with OCN's version of Huddler, they have this Spam option and we get to "Hide" the post too because this is exactly what reporting a post as spam did back before Huddler.

So, it's not for user spam (what I would actually call "flooding").  It's not for duplicate posts or threads.  It's not for inappropriate posts.  It's not for anything but spam as posted either by spambots or people hired to go around the internet posting spam.

I've used it hundreds of times already for that and I've never been talked to about it.  When I want to report anything other than spam, then I do not select "Spam" because it's not spam.  Spam is nothing more than unsolicited advertising.  Today, the word "spam" is being misused way too much and its meaning is being completely forgotten.

The trouble is, we're all just expected to know this already. Which is quite a bit of preamble for a feature that's enabled by default on a significant number of accounts. And when the inevitable happens, it feels like honest members are punished.

We're not psychic, there needs to be either a clearer way of explaining the purpose of that option, or it needs to be disabled completely.
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Originally Posted by Plan9 View Post


The trouble is, we're all just expected to know this already. Which is quite a bit of preamble for a feature that's enabled by default on a significant number of accounts. And when the inevitable happens, it feels like honest members are punished.

We're not psychic, there needs to be either a clearer way of explaining the purpose of that option, or it needs to be disabled completely.

 

But the name of the option is "Spam".  I feel that it can't be any clearer than that.

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Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post

But the name of the option is "Spam".  I feel that it can't be any clearer than that.

You said yourself that "people misuse the term".

And the fact that this conversation keeps reoccurring is surely proof that the message isn't clear.
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You said yourself that "people misuse the term".

And the fact that this conversation keeps reoccurring is surely proof that the message isn't clear.

 

Then they need some text in there that explains it.  They should also increase the number of options to go beyond just "Spam", "Offensive", "Other".  For example, they should include things like "Inappropriate", "Duplicate", etc.

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post #17 of 41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post

Then they need some text in there that explains it. 
Which is exactly what I said earlier tongue.gif
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They should also increase the number of options to go beyond just "Spam", "Offensive", "Other".  For example, they should include things like "Inappropriate", "Duplicate", etc.
That would be a good idea too smile.gif
post #18 of 41
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Originally Posted by Plan9 View Post

There's good arguments both for and against such a default, but to be honest, I don't really care. This whole bug report came about because I used "spam" to report duplicate posts and left the "hide" option enabled (purely because I'm an idiot of the English language so couldn't figure out it's purpose, so kept the defaults). Thus I was told to submit a bug report.

If the intended and preferred behaviour is the current set up, then so be it smile.gif


I had this exact same problem, a mod called my attention, and I suggested that they explain it better. English is not my native language either, and the option is confusing, even as to what it does ("hide" is actually not a very correct term to be used either - I was even confused as to what that meant - does it hide it from just me, as in a block, but instead of blocking a user, it would only block that message or does it hide it from everybody ? As it turns out, it hides it from everybody, but not in the way hidden posts normally are, it is actually removed from the thread, and is only visible by mods after that, so even saying "hide" is a dubious term), and I too, think that spam does not only mean what TwoCables is arguing.

See this, from the Wikipedia entry on Spam:
Quote:
Newsgroup spam's a type of spam where the targets are Usenet newsgroups. Spamming of Usenet newsgroups actually pre-dates e-mail spam. Usenet convention defines spamming as excessive multiple posting, that is, the repeated posting of a message (or substantially similar messages).

This is what we are referring to, spam does indeed have more meanings than just unsolicited e-mails, and many people may understand it this way. Also, the fact that the box is not selected by default when you chose another motive for reporting, and only enables when you select spam, may lead some people to not notice the change. Also, why does the box actually stay there if you choose another reason for reporting ? If it is only meant for spam posts, why can you actually select that option for other reasons, even though it's not selected by default ?

Anyway, Alatar told me he would bring up the subject in the next meeting and they'll see what is best.

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It never used to be the default, and I feel it causes more issues being defaulted than it would otherwise. As if you don't untick it then you get the wrath of the mods for using it improperly.

Then comes the second problem I have with it, what is the intended purpose? I've been warned twice about using in times when it was clear as day spam or inappropriate material and am still told that it isn't used for such. So it definitely needs a more descriptive description or rules for it need to be more lenient with the way it's described now. What kind of spam is appropriate kind to use the hold feature? Just saying spam could mean a few different things, but if only spam bots are the appropriate usage, then that needs to be made clear to only hold spam bots and not just general user spam, etc.

I know I'm not alone and it has been ranted about before by other users as well, but it still seems to be an issue.

Exactly, that option should really be more clear as to what it does.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post

Then they need some text in there that explains it.  They should also increase the number of options to go beyond just "Spam", "Offensive", "Other".  For example, they should include things like "Inappropriate", "Duplicate", etc.

Exactly what we're getting at tongue.gif It's obviously not descriptive enough if people are misusing it ( due to your definition of the word as you said ), and it either needs to be specified for the more current use of the word spam or more options be made available to better or more easily pinpoint the actual issue.

I agree. More options is a possibility, but above all, that option should be better explained, that will avoid many misunderstandings and save the mods the work of sending pm's to members giving them the explanation that should have been in the dialogue box.
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Thread cleaned, please remember this is a bug report and not a discussion on the definition of spam.

For those interested OCNs definition of spam is advertising posts.
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The Spam Squad will be strictly limited to removing Spam from the site. Also, you will only be able to flag messages when the posting member has created 5 posts or less. Any person caught abusing the system will be dealt with very harshly (15 point infraction lasting 1 year). There will be no additional warnings. We welcome anyone to report a post that violates the ToS, but only Spam can be flagged for immediate removal. If you aren’t sure a post is really spam, then do NOT use the spam option.

Please note: Spam in this context refers *ONLY* to advertising spam - porn or gore shock posts are also an acceptable use. It doesn't apply to posts which are posted in the wrong forum or posts which make no sense. Spam Squad members are meant to only flag those posts where they are sure it was a spammer.
http://www.overclock.net/t/546233/spam-squad/0_100

Obviously that thread needs updating as the 5 post limit has been removed.
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Thread cleaned, please remember this is a bug report and not a discussion on the definition of spam.

For those interested OCNs definition of spam is advertising posts.
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The Spam Squad will be strictly limited to removing Spam from the site. Also, you will only be able to flag messages when the posting member has created 5 posts or less. Any person caught abusing the system will be dealt with very harshly (15 point infraction lasting 1 year). There will be no additional warnings. We welcome anyone to report a post that violates the ToS, but only Spam can be flagged for immediate removal. If you aren’t sure a post is really spam, then do NOT use the spam option.

Please note: Spam in this context refers *ONLY* to advertising spam - porn or gore shock posts are also an acceptable use. It doesn't apply to posts which are posted in the wrong forum or posts which make no sense. Spam Squad members are meant to only flag those posts where they are sure it was a spammer.
http://www.overclock.net/t/546233/spam-squad/0_100

Obviously that thread needs updating as the 5 post limit has been removed.

I think we all understand what this is, but the problem is that these things are connected, if the liaison between that option and spam (and it's severity, and other things that may qualify, as OCN's own definition admits) is not made in the dialogue box, one may not know what that applies to and if that is the intended behaviour or not (let alone what it actually does).
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