Originally Posted by Plan9
There's good arguments both for and against such a default, but to be honest, I don't really care. This whole bug report came about because I used "spam" to report duplicate posts and left the "hide" option enabled (purely because I'm an idiot of the English language so couldn't figure out it's purpose, so kept the defaults). Thus I was told to submit a bug report.
If the intended and preferred behaviour is the current set up, then so be it
I had this exact same problem, a mod called my attention, and I suggested that they explain it better. English is not my native language either, and the option is confusing, even as to what it does ("hide" is actually not a very correct term to be used either - I was even confused as to what that meant - does it hide it from just me, as in a block, but instead of blocking a user, it would only block that message or does it hide it from everybody ? As it turns out, it hides it from everybody, but not in the way hidden posts normally are, it is actually removed from the thread, and is only visible by mods after that, so even saying "hide" is a dubious term), and I too, think that spam does not only mean what TwoCables is arguing.
See this, from the Wikipedia
entry on Spam:
Newsgroup spam's a type of spam where the targets are Usenet newsgroups. Spamming of Usenet newsgroups actually pre-dates e-mail spam. Usenet convention defines spamming as excessive multiple posting, that is, the repeated posting of a message (or substantially similar messages).
This is what we are referring to, spam does indeed have more meanings than just unsolicited e-mails, and many people may understand it this way. Also, the fact that the box is not selected by default when you chose another motive for reporting, and only enables when you select spam, may lead some people to not notice the change. Also, why does the box actually stay there if you choose another reason for reporting ? If it is only meant for spam posts, why can you actually select that option for other reasons, even though it's not selected by default ?
Anyway, Alatar told me he would bring up the subject in the next meeting and they'll see what is best.
Originally Posted by Shrak
It never used to be the default, and I feel it causes more issues being defaulted than it would otherwise. As if you don't untick it then you get the wrath of the mods for using it improperly.
Then comes the second problem I have with it, what is the intended purpose? I've been warned twice about using in times when it was clear as day spam or inappropriate material and am still told that it isn't used for such. So it definitely needs a more descriptive description or rules for it need to be more lenient with the way it's described now. What kind of spam is appropriate kind to use the hold feature? Just saying spam could mean a few different things, but if only spam bots
are the appropriate usage, then that needs to be made clear to only hold spam bots
and not just general user spam
I know I'm not alone and it has been ranted about before by other users as well, but it still seems to be an issue.
Exactly, that option should really be more clear as to what it does.
Originally Posted by Shrak
Originally Posted by TwoCables
Then they need some text in there that explains it. They should also increase the number of options to go beyond just "Spam", "Offensive", "Other". For example, they should include things like "Inappropriate", "Duplicate", etc.
Exactly what we're getting at
It's obviously not descriptive enough if people are misusing it ( due to your definition of the word as you said ), and it either needs to be specified for the more current use of the word spam or more options be made available to better or more easily pinpoint the actual issue.
I agree. More options is a possibility, but above all, that option should be better explained, that will avoid many misunderstandings and save the mods the work of sending pm's to members giving them the explanation that should have been in the dialogue box.Edited by tpi2007 - 1/14/13 at 4:24pm