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Hi everyone, this is my first post here but I've been lurking around here for a while, but this time I really want to share my experiences with the new Swiftech Maestrom reservoir.

Long story short, I built my new system a few months ago, and just upgraded a few components which are motherboard water block, ram block, new Swiftech Maestrom and another MCP35X for dual pumps set up.

I got everything hooked up, filled the loop, and let it bleeding for like 10 hours, which is the longest bleeding I ever did, and after a night of running continuously the loop was still full of small bubbles, and those pumps are very annoyed since so much air is still in the loop.

I did not know what was wrong, I tried to google to find a solution about this problem but all the reviews I found never mentioned about this kind of problem. And I tried to figure it out by removing the small anti-bubble sponge, plugged in only 1 pump, and used the PWM cabble, and I used the Asus Xpert fan to increase rpm of the pump from 20% to 100% to see what was happening. At 20 - 30% rpm, bleeding was caked, it took like 10-15 minutes to complete bleeding the loop. After that, I set the rpm of the pump from 40% to 100% and it started to suck air to the loop, the water level inside the 'anti vortex tube' is below the reservoir's water level. Because the pump sucks water too quick and 2 small inlets which transfer water from the res to the 'anti vortex tube' cannot keep up with pump's power. Bear in mind this was only 1 pump in action. If I plugged all 2 pumps in, I cannot even see the water level inside of tube since there were too much bubbles.

The only way to get rid of this problem is setting only 1 pump in action, and forces the pump running at 30% all the time which is really pissed me off because I bought this Maelstrom, and 2 mcp35x for the awesome power of dual 35x in serial, and now I have to run at 30% of only 1 pump to avoid getting bubble in my loop.

Well, after a few days of experiencing this new Maestrom, and yes its expensive, much more expensive than the old XSPC bay res, because I have to purchase another 35X and a dual pumps housing, and now its working at 30% percent of the old set up. I'm so disappointed Swiftech. Really, have you actually tested this res before put it on PR and selling end products? I'm highly doubt it, and want a comment from Swiftech rep.

And I'm sorry about my English grammar, its not my native language.
post #2 of 10
Did you let an outlet open while it was draining the air out and adding water afterwards while the pumps were pumping 100% ?

After awhile the pumps will have cleared out of the system easily. I got the same res/pump and I wouldn't replace it for anything... at 15% pwm and it's silent too! thumb.gif
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sorry to hear you're having problems. Looking at some close up pictures of the res, the only advice I have would be to make sure it's absolutely full and the fill port is tightened all the way.
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Did you let an outlet open while it was draining the air out and adding water afterwards while the pumps were pumping 100% ?

After awhile the pumps will have cleared out of the system easily. I got the same res/pump and I wouldn't replace it for anything... at 15% pwm and it's silent too! thumb.gif

I did seal the filling port of the res while bleeding, but you know, I stopped, restarted the psu serveral times to let it breath, but letting an outlet openning while the pump is running at 100% power is impossible because water will probably spill out.

No offense, but whats the point of running at 15% pwm man? You bought this res for dual pump set up and you are running them at 15% pwm is kind of a waste. I'd rather running 1 pump at 50 or 100% to save money for something else.
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No offense, but whats the point of running at 15% pwm man? You bought this res for dual pump set up and you are running them at 15% pwm is kind of a waste. I'd rather running 1 pump at 50 or 100% to save money for something else.
Redundancy, one pump dies, things keep on trucking.
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I did seal the filling port of the res while bleeding, but you know, I stopped, restarted the psu serveral times to let it breath, but letting an outlet openning while the pump is running at 100% power is impossible because water will probably spill out.

No offense, but whats the point of running at 15% pwm man? You bought this res for dual pump set up and you are running them at 15% pwm is kind of a waste. I'd rather running 1 pump at 50 or 100% to save money for something else.

I had a fillport with a tube attached to one of the inlets of the reseviour and I just opened that. I also made the case go angled at 45% to let the inlet become the main air hub for the system and let it bleed for a min then closed the fillport and returned the system to it's original location. I set the pumps to 10% pwm and after an hours time my water level dropped down to nearlly 80% of the res (it was at 90%). All of this time the main fillport was closed.

As for the 15% comment.... Two pumps in series have about 10% more flow then a single pump and they give out nearly 80% more head. So having two in series is like having one pump at 30% and it's dead silent.
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Redundancy, one pump dies, things keep on trucking.

This too. Spent over $3000 on computer parts... spending $80 more for redudancy is a no brainer since I keep the system either on bonic or folding all day.
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Keep your res completely full all the way to the top as to have no air in the res.
As the loop bleeds, some air will get into the res, stop it and fill the res all the way up again. Rince and repeat.

If there is no air, or as little as possible, in the res then the pumps cant suck air.
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Keep your res completely full all the way to the top as to have no air in the res.
As the loop bleeds, some air will get into the res, stop it and fill the res all the way up again. Rince and repeat.

If there is no air, or as little as possible, in the res then the pumps cant suck air.

^^ I have a koolance res with dual MCP35X and had to perform this same procedure. Like the koolance, the swiftech has a port on the top of the res. If the pumps are running you can attach a fitting and a fill tube to the top port and make sure the res is toppped off with the pumps running at the rate you want to run them at. Then carefully remove the tube and the fitting and replace with the cap when res is full and pumps are running. Spillage will be negligable. Problem should be solved. Good luck! thumb.gif
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No personal experience with the Malestrom, but I had a similar issue with the 35X reservoir that uses a similar sponge system at very high flow rates. I ended up tossing the sponge and used a down tube instead which improved both hydraulic performance as well.

Bleeding does seem to be one of the more challenging issues with bay reservoirs especially at very high flow rates. Most of the designs try to balance a bypass effect with reservoir area that catches part of the flow, but they all struggle with bleeding a little more than your typical full size reservoir.

I would send a complaint off to swiftech, their CS is very good and perhaps they have some ideas that can help you.
    
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^^ I have a koolance res with dual MCP35X and had to perform this same procedure. Like the koolance, the swiftech has a port on the top of the res. If the pumps are running you can attach a fitting and a fill tube to the top port and make sure the res is toppped off with the pumps running at the rate you want to run them at. Then carefully remove the tube and the fitting and replace with the cap when res is full and pumps are running. Spillage will be negligable. Problem should be solved. Good luck! thumb.gif

Also, the Koolance uses a deflector plate rather than a sponge. I agree with Martin that switftech may have some alternatives to that sponge. Let us know how it goes.
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