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Why do people assume everyones going to buy crysis or something. How about when metro comes out instead. I would not play an ea game if it was given to me for free at this point.

Even if i didnt buy crysis 3 (which i am) but i still would get the gpu. From being a former console player and seeing how bad it was i dont mind my gpu being powerful at gaming
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Why do people assume everyones going to buy crysis or something. How about when metro comes out instead. I would not play an ea game if it was given to me for free at this point.

If your a tru intense graphic enthusiast then Crysis 3 better be on your list.
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Originally Posted by KyadCK View Post

"Team one wins clock for clock, so clock for clock means nothing." Right.

Again, when two things clock about the same (which they do), the only thing left to get IPS is IPC.

Sorry but we'll just have to agree to disagree.

There are far more 680's hitting 1300 mhz than 7970s.

In the context of gaming, the 7970 at this point in time has the PPC advantage.
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Sorry but we'll just have to agree to disagree.

There are far more 680's hitting 1300 mhz than 7970s.

In the context of gaming, the 7970 at this point in time has the PPC advantage.

Let me play devil's advocate here for a moment. I'm not sure you realize the problems with overclocking a 680, namely kepler throttle and voltage lock. Voltage lock alone guarantees limited overclocking ability, while kepler throttle will actively reduce your GPU clockspeed in 13mhz increments indefinitely if you pass a 70C threshold. So lets say you get a 50mhz overclock on a ref 680, if you pass 70C guess what? you're done, the overclock is going to be reduced.

I really feel like you believe "the grass is greener". Now, the lightning 680 is the true enthusiast GTX 680 and I love it. But I owned ref 680s prior and was greatly disappointed in the overclock ability for the reasons mentioned above. The bottom line is get the lightning if you want to overclock smile.gif

Also, like you said in an earlier thread - clock for clock doesn't matter when comparing 2 different architectures.
Edited by xoleras - 1/20/13 at 7:46am
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Clock for clock is pointless because they max at different speeds. 7970's commonly hit 1200-1250MHz while 680's commonly hit 1300+MHz but they are both about equal at those disparate clock speeds. A 1300MHz 7970 will destroy a 1300MHz 680 but 7970's clocking to that speed are rare....
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Woah..I definitely would not call a 1300mhz 680 "common", then again I also wouldn't call a 7970@1250 common
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Clock for clock is pointless because they max at different speeds. 7970's commonly hit 1200-1250MHz while 680's commonly hit 1300+MHz but they are both about equal at those disparate clock speeds. A 1300MHz 7970 will destroy a 1300MHz 680 but 7970's clocking to that speed are rare....

HD 7970's do not commonly hit 1200-1250mhz core even with increased vcore, out of the 4 that I went through only one would do 1240mhz core at 1.3vc rock stable. The others would fall on their face after 1150-1180mhz core no matter how much voltage I pushed through them. My experience with the 680's are that they are better overclockers despite being voltage locked, only 1 of my GTX 680's failed to be stable at 1290mhz core while the others did well over 1300mhz core especially after flashing to the unlocked bios.

Also xoleras is making a huge deal out of this "throttling" issue as he always seems to do, trying to say that the only 680 worth owning is the lightening which is utter bull. Oddly enough the lightning was the card that was the worst overclocker of the bunch for my 680's, the others were gigabyte windforce models which not only were quieter but were also much cooler and clocked much higher. 1 of them did 1350mhz on the core before the bios flash and after the flash I was able to do 1380mhz core rock stable and throtteling was never once an issue as the card never exceeded 60c under the heaviest gaming sessions with the fan cranked to a mere 60%.

My first 680 was a PNY model with the stock cooler and that card was good for 1320mhz core with no bios flash and again I had no throttleing issues here either as long as I set up a fan profile using afterburner, the 680's run pretty cool even with the stock cooler as long as you dont leave it on auto.


Now finally for the guy who said a 1300mhz core 7970 would destroy a 1300mhz GTX 680 you are clearly out of your mind, I have owned both cards "you most likely have not" and can say that in the current state of drivers both cards trade blows when evenly clocked. To destroy would mean that the 7970 would be getting 20-30fps more than a 680 at the same clock speed and that isnt so, the difference is 10fps at the most if its a game that already favores ATI. For the majority they still trade blows and at the end of the day with the 680 being a better overclocker it is going to edge out the HD 7970 at its best overclock. I know because I own both in seperate rigs. Do you?
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I own both in seperate rigs. Do you?

There are hundreds of people here that have owned both and have a differing opinion than you; You're not a special snowflake. A lot of us at OCN have been in the game a long time, have owned both green and red this gen, don't act like it's something unique because it isn't. I've had 7970s, ref 680s, a GTX 690, and then the lightning 680s. I'm pretty sure i've submitted 3dmark11 scores here with each setup, but I can't be bothered to find that stuff - i'm not saying this to beat my chest, my entire point is that there are a LOT of people who have owned both brands; it is nothing special. Anyway, I think they're all great cards in different ways, but when you start talking about other aspects such as overclocking it can be highly subjective - but there are cold hard truths that you need to face about the limitations that nvidia set out on reference 680s. Kepler throttle is real. Voltage lock is real. That's the cold, hard truth. I like the MSI lightning because it bypasses these limitations, but I can understand if you prefer something else - that's fine with me.

That said, i'm not saying the 680 or 7970 are bad cards. They're both great cards I believe. Anyway, I wouldn't call the GTX 680 a "great" overclocker for the reasons outlined above (voltage lock and kepler throttle) but hey, to each their own. I didn't like the nvidia limitations so I went with the MSI lightning 680 and absolutely love them.
Edited by xoleras - 1/20/13 at 8:58am
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Let me play devil's advocate here for a moment. I'm not sure you realize the problems with overclocking a 680, namely kepler throttle and voltage lock. Voltage lock alone guarantees limited overclocking ability, while kepler throttle will actively reduce your GPU clockspeed in 13mhz increments indefinitely if you pass a 70C threshold. So lets say you get a 50mhz overclock on a ref 680, if you pass 70C guess what? you're done, the overclock is going to be reduced.

I really feel like you believe "the grass is greener". Now, the lightning 680 is the true enthusiast GTX 680 and I love it. But I owned ref 680s prior and was greatly disappointed in the overclock ability for the reasons mentioned above. The bottom line is get the lightning if you want to overclock smile.gif

Also, like you said in an earlier thread - clock for clock doesn't matter when comparing 2 different architectures.

The same issues apply to overclocking a 670. I owned a 670 FTW from May until December and did my share of oc'd benches and gaming.

I didn't mean to insinuate that a 680 hitting 1300 mhz is common. But it is more common than a 7970 hitting 1300 mhz.
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The debate was interesting until the name calling:buttkick:
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