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Because I am working with all this for the first time I was going to go for standard barbs, plus since you mentioned I would only need the ID for the tubing it would also be a bit easier for me. So for example if I have the standard G1/4, I screw my barb that is fitted for a G1/4 in and then attach a 1/2" tube?

Barbs, a little secret...........

Most barb manufactures spec an OD for their barbs, so you know what size tubing will fit. Very few spec an inside diameter. If you go to a hardware store and look at barbs (all the same OD) you will see a vast difference in ID between different brands and materials.

Personally, I use brass barbs and re-machine the ID . Most all commercial barbs are way to heavy duty for us waterrcoolers. Think about tugging on a 1/2" garden hose on a 1/2" barb. That barb better be pretty tough! We don't put anything near that force on our stuff. I usually also shorten the barb to just a little longer than a narrow SS screw clamp (less restriction), re-shape the exit/entrance hole (square edges cause turbulence and hence are restrictive) and re-machine the ridges (for better tubing holding).

There are a lot of little things you can do, if you think about it, that will improve overall cooling. Many of them are free! And they all add up.
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Just keep in mind that pump is an ugly *monster*.

It has 1/2" barb fittings that can't be changed. And if you have to use reducer fittings so that you can use a smaller size of tubing, those fittings make it tough to fit the pump anywhere.

On the other hand, it is a very powerful pump.

Perhaps reconsider on that pump, or get some different advice.

I'm concerned that a weaker pump might not do well if you're going to have 2 separate radiators.
(although I have one 3x size radiator and my little pump does ok.)
Oh my.. eek.gif Thank you for posting that picture to get an idea of how it looks in comparison to the casing and the reduction fittings.

That is pretty much the killer for me right there then, I am most likely going to go for the 3/8ID tubing.

Which was my main argument when looking at it.. but that is a monster indeed!

I'll definitely have a look into it! There must be an alternative that comes close to the power and allows me to use my tubing size.

I am really hoping to have one 360 mounted at the top, worst case I would need 2 separate ones :/

EDIT: This version of the same pump seems to have different fittings, take a look
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=59_201&products_id=33677
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Originally Posted by PepeLapiu View Post

For just a CPU and VGA's in parallel, I think a Koolance D5 vario would be plenty. It is not a strong pump, but you dont need a strong one. And it is the most quiet out there right now if properly decoupled.

I have had guys turning that pump down to 1, the slowest setting, and they recorded absolutely no changes in temps.

I will have 7 blocks, and 5 or 6 rads and that D5 vario is my pump of choice for my next build.

Flow is over rated, you dobt see any difference from fast to slow flow.

Aaand here we go with a perfect alternative biggrin.gif
Looking at the barbs of the pump, I will need to fixate the tubing there with clamps even if I use compression fittings in the rest of the loop right?
So that little thing will get your up to 15 components supplied and cooled sufficiently??
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Barbs, a little secret...........

Most barb manufactures spec an OD for their barbs, so you know what size tubing will fit. Very few spec an inside diameter. If you go to a hardware store and look at barbs (all the same OD) you will see a vast difference in ID between different brands and materials.

Personally, I use brass barbs and re-machine the ID . Most all commercial barbs are way to heavy duty for us waterrcoolers. Think about tugging on a 1/2" garden hose on a 1/2" barb. That barb better be pretty tough! We don't put anything near that force on our stuff. I usually also shorten the barb to just a little longer than a narrow SS screw clamp (less restriction), re-shape the exit/entrance hole (square edges cause turbulence and hence are restrictive) and re-machine the ridges (for better tubing holding).

There are a lot of little things you can do, if you think about it, that will improve overall cooling. Many of them are free! And they all add up.

That is a very useful tip in case I will need to go barbs after all for some reason (be it budget or delivery-issue related).
Even though I have access to most of the machines needed to prepare the barbs like this, I don't really trust my self yet doing too much fine tuning on the parts. Especially with the metall components, I would see my self worsen or even completely disrupt their flow-potential. And probably forget to clean away the metal dust and thus ruin the pump and blocks and and and haha
But it is a very interesting take on making the cheaper version more efficient and customizable! Something I will definitely check out once I am on the level for it, thanks! smile.gif
Edited by MrKJ - 2/9/13 at 5:03pm
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the pump you linked is the same but they cut off the plastic barbs and tapped a g1/4 hole, so if you got it you could just put whatever size barb you want in it.
    
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Aaand here we go with a perfect alternative biggrin.gif
Looking at the barbs of the pump, I will need to fixate the tubing there with clamps even if I use compression fittings in the rest of the loop right?
Right!
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So that little thing will get your up to 15 components supplied and cooled sufficiently??

Yup, have a look at this video. Basically the same pump from a different manufacturer. Listen to what Linus has to say about flow around the middle of the vid. Linus will also tell you a useful tip about barbs and smaller size tubes.
Also read this little test I got an other member here to perform to demonstrate how little relevent flow is.

And here you can see how the Koolance D5 Vario is the quietest as tested by Martin
Edited by PepeLapiu - 2/9/13 at 7:32pm
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Originally Posted by zerocool135 View Post

the pump you linked is the same but they cut off the plastic barbs and tapped a g1/4 hole, so if you got it you could just put whatever size barb you want in it.

Ahh I see, so that would solve the issue with the bulky reduction fitting though, right?
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Right!
Yup, have a look at this video. Basically the same pump from a different manufacturer. Listen to what Linus has to say about flow around the middle of the vid. Linus will also tell you a useful tip about barbs and smaller size tubes.
Also read this little test I got an other member here to perform to demonstrate how little relevent flow is.

And here you can see how the Koolance D5 Vario is the quietest as tested by Martin

Very useful stuff, thanks mate! I will definitely check this pump out in more detail and compare it to the one I first considered (Yours will probably win by miles haha).
For the graph, we are talking about the red-squared one right?
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Yes you wont have to use the reduction fittings and yes the red squared line, i have the swiftech brand of this pump and its very nice. i dont have the one where you can adjust the speed so its basically stuck at 4, but its still very quiet and very powerful
    
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Alright so here are some more in depth measurements of the casing:
Top (inside and disregarding extra spacing by the gap and DVD drive section): Height till MB - 5.0cm, Width - 18.5cm, Length - 37.9cm

Top (Outside the casing and under the cover panel): Min./Med./Max. Height - 2.1cm/4.4cm/5.5cm (due to sloped cover), Width - 16.0cm, Length - 36.3cm (Outside controls limit this)

Gap: Height - 3cm, Width of the top with gap - 20cm, Length of the top without DVD - 37.9cm

DVD Bay: Height - 25.0cm, Width - 15.0cm, Length - 15.0 cm

Here are two pics to illustrate it:

Top View:


Inside View:

(The red 5cm line is supposed to go all the way to the top where the yellow 3cm line starts)

I feel like I would be able to mount the Alphacool NexXxoS UT60 Full Copper 360mm (395mm x 124mm x 60mm) inside, if I don't fix it all the way to one side but rather in the middle (to prevent contact with the MB) and am lucky enough for it to fit snuggly into the DVD bay section on the other side (I don't mind moving the dvd reader down a bit). It would require me to add the fans on the outside facing surface of the rad though, which means I would have to temper with the casing to screw in the rad and cut out a thin piece to make all three fans fit under the top cover.
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Yes you wont have to use the reduction fittings and yes the red squared line, i have the swiftech brand of this pump and its very nice. i dont have the one where you can adjust the speed so its basically stuck at 4, but its still very quiet and very powerful

Thanks for that helpful info on the pump wink.gif Much appreciated!
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Another update:
I have been researching around and checking out tons of posts and pictures and adjusted my list a bit.

Pump or a Koolance D5 vario

Reservoir

CPU block

GPU block or GPU block (what exactly does the Acetal benefit me?)

Rad (a max of 35.5mm thickness will fit with 2.5cm fans) or one Rad on top and rad on bottom

Fittings, Valve, Y-Junction for drainage port

Tubing

Fans

Did I do good? haha
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looks like a good setup, the only thing the acetal does to my knowledge is give you a different look and maybe augment the price because of its workability.
    
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