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We have overall better ports now, and more MMOs. Otherwise it isn't too much different... '07 was unique in the sense that it had two very innovative games though: Crysis and S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Shadow of Chernobyl, but it's rare for innovative games to come out.

As for indie titles, I can't speak for the ones he listed, but the ones I play have less bugs than just about every mainstream title in recent years, and far more creativity. These include the Penumbra series, Amnesia, Miasmata, Red Orchestra 2, and Killing Floor. ArmA II and OA are technically indie games, but have a massive studio and it shows: they are light years ahead of any other military-themed shooter and have much more content than any shooter I know of. Mainstream titles are a mess these days; many of them are released prematurely and have bugs or problems/oversights around every corner.

Thats exactly why '07 was such a good year for gaming. It had so many amazing games and the games were still what I would consider hardcore. Games like TF2 Vanilla, HLEP2, CS and CSS were still really big and growing, STALKER & Crysis were released, The Witcher released, Bioshock 1, other titles too I'm sure that I'm missing. The year following '07 was good but they went downhill after year '07.

I liked Pnumbra 1 but the rest of them seemed "meh" and Amnesia I have yet to get around playing. Red Orchestra 2 a lot of people dislike and ARMA series I'd consider mainstream due to how big their studio is.

I actually haven't had many problems with mainstream games in regards to bugs same with indie games but indie games are lacking in a certain quality for the most part but some of them get it right but its rare. Either the story sucks or the gameplay isnt on point or the game is too short or something else.
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Thats exactly why '07 was such a good year for gaming. It had so many amazing games and the games were still what I would consider hardcore. Games like TF2 Vanilla, HLEP2, CS and CSS were still really big and growing, STALKER & Crysis were released, The Witcher released, Bioshock 1, other titles too I'm sure that I'm missing. The year following '07 was good but they went downhill after year '07.

I liked Pnumbra 1 but the rest of them seemed "meh" and Amnesia I have yet to get around playing. Red Orchestra 2 a lot of people dislike and ARMA series I'd consider mainstream due to how big their studio is.

I actually haven't had many problems with mainstream games in regards to bugs same with indie games but indie games are lacking in a certain quality for the most part but some of them get it right but its rare. Either the story sucks or the gameplay isnt on point or the game is too short or something else.

I don't think you even played the second part of Penumbra from what you told me. It's a much better horror game than the best offered by console, which are Silent Hill 1-3. Funny how you mention the Witcher now, a game you were just trash talking (and it truly does not stand out).

As for Red Orchestra 2, the discussion was not popularity but quality. It exceeds its closest competition by a long shot, people just didn't like it because it is too challenging, and the lesser reason would be its bad optimization at launch.

Some of the '07 titles you listed are multiplatform, so keeping to this trend, there are plenty of notable games in the following years. '08 had Fallout 3, one of the most revolutionary titles in recent years, and the console version is only a tiny fraction of its full potential. S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Clear Sky also released. In 2009 we had ArmA 2, one of the most revolutionary shooters in a while, as well as Killing Floor and Left 4 Dead 2. 2010 was a great year as we saw the release of S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Call of Pripyat (though Russia and other countries got it in '09), Fallout: New Vegas, and Amnesia: The Dark Descent. Then in 2011 we had Skyrim and The Witcher 2, and last year... Dishonored only stood out to me.

There are many other games that stand out too in those years, like Mass Effect and Dragon Age, but I haven't gotten around to them. The problem isn't the lack of games on these years, it's just that you personally didn't find them interesting. But most of us beg to differ, and I find that consoles have much less to offer on each and every one of those years. It's just preference really. But yes, '07 stood out more than most years after it... and also most years before it. It was a very special year for gaming.

For me, an interesting console game comes once in a blue moon, especially since I use consoles only for exclusives as there is no reason to play multiplatform games on console, if you already have a decent gaming PC.

As far as bugs in mainstream games go, it's quickest to point out Fallout 3 and Skyrim (I haven't had any problems in New Vegas yet). But I can't compare indie games to this, I haven't played an indie RPG and I wouldn't be surprised if they're buggy messes like you describe.

Call of Duty and BF3 are also atrocious incomplete buggy mainstream games. The former has some of the worst hit detection I've ever seen, and BF3's is also very bad, not to mention BF3 seems to struggle with 64 people in a server. Red Orchestra 2 doesn't struggle with 64 people, has superior hit detection to both games, came with more levels than BF3, is just a better game and it's an indie title.

Amnesia, Penumbra, Miasmata, Anna, and Dear Esther are all bug-free from my many playthroughs, plus most of these have much more developed stories than mainstream games. There's no story to be found in most mainstream games. Can you give some examples of these indie games that suffer from, "Either the story sucks or the gameplay isnt on point or the game is too short or something else"? I'd expect they'd be RPGs and/or strategy games, and yeah it would be much harder for an indie studio to pull off a large scale game like that. I'll stick to Skyrim and Fallout when it comes to RPGs.
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I don't think you even played the second part of Penumbra from what you told me. It's a much better horror game than the best offered by console, which are Silent Hill 1-3. Funny how you mention the Witcher now, a game you were just trash talking (and it truly does not stand out).

As for Red Orchestra 2, the discussion was not popularity but quality. It exceeds its closest competition by a long shot, people just didn't like it because it is too challenging, and the lesser reason would be its bad optimization at launch.

Some of the '07 titles you listed are multiplatform, so keeping to this trend, there are plenty of notable games in the following years. '08 had Fallout 3, one of the most revolutionary titles in recent years, and the console version is only a tiny fraction of its full potential. S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Clear Sky also released. In 2009 we had ArmA 2, one of the most revolutionary shooters in a while, as well as Killing Floor and Left 4 Dead 2. 2010 was a great year as we saw the release of S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Call of Pripyat (though Russia and other countries got it in '09), Fallout: New Vegas, and Amnesia: The Dark Descent. Then in 2011 we had Skyrim and The Witcher 2, and last year... Dishonored only stood out to me.

There are many other games that stand out too in those years, like Mass Effect and Dragon Age, but I haven't gotten around to them. The problem isn't the lack of games on these years, it's just that you personally didn't find them interesting. But most of us beg to differ, and I find that consoles have much less to offer on each and every one of those years. It's just preference really. But yes, '07 stood out more than most years after it... and also most years before it. It was a very special year for gaming.

For me, an interesting console game comes once in a blue moon, especially since I use consoles only for exclusives as there is no reason to play multiplatform games on console, if you already have a decent gaming PC.

As far as bugs in mainstream games go, it's quickest to point out Fallout 3 and Skyrim (I haven't had any problems in New Vegas yet). But I can't compare indie games to this, I haven't played an indie RPG and I wouldn't be surprised if they're buggy messes like you describe.

Call of Duty and BF3 are also atrocious incomplete buggy mainstream games. The former has some of the worst hit detection I've ever seen, and BF3's is also very bad, not to mention BF3 seems to struggle with 64 people in a server. Red Orchestra 2 doesn't struggle with 64 people, has superior hit detection to both games, came with more levels than BF3, is just a better game and it's an indie title.

Amnesia, Penumbra, Miasmata, Anna, and Dear Esther are all bug-free from my many playthroughs, plus most of these have much more developed stories than mainstream games. There's no story to be found in most mainstream games. Can you give some examples of these indie games that suffer from, "Either the story sucks or the gameplay isnt on point or the game is too short or something else"? I'd expect they'd be RPGs and/or strategy games, and yeah it would be much harder for an indie studio to pull off a large scale game like that. I'll stick to Skyrim and Fallout when it comes to RPGs.

I guess you're right. I just find other games more interesting. I find games that cater to the older gamers (extremely difficult, memorable storyline, and games that require you to really, really think) to be the most fun but they're so rare anymore but s understandable since gaming is mainstream now.

For me the best PC games of '12 was Hotline Miami, Dark Souls, and my favorite, XCOM so that shows what kind of games I'm into. If a game doesnt have the full package (extremely difficult, very good storyline, makes you think) than I'm not interested. I'm just too picky I suppose.

The new XCOM was one of the newest games that really really pulled me in playing on classic mode. I'm looking forward to playing Valkrie Chronicles though which is supposed to be as hard if not harder and has a better storyline.
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For me the best PC games of '12 was Hotline Miami, Dark Souls, and my favorite, XCOM so that shows what kind of games I'm into. If a game doesnt have the full package (extremely difficult, very good storyline, makes you think) than I'm not interested. I'm just too picky I suppose.

XCOM falls flat of the bolded statement due to its story. Extreme difficulty is a requirement for me too, and a very good storyline is required for any game to be truly memorable to me. As for making you think, this usually ties into difficulty and story. Extreme difficulty is far more common on PC than it is console, and a very good story is rare on both but in recent years I've mostly found this on PC (Underhell, The Witcher 2, Penumbra, Amnesia, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Shadow of Chernobyl, and Metro 2033 which takes advantage of PC hardware).
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Why do people play games for trophies/achievements... I will never understand. I didn't even think people would be open about it on a forum like OCN. Steamworks games have your precious trophies/achievements by the way.

Anyway... PS3 exclusives are certainly packed with more variety and better games than XBOX 360, but PC is much better than both especially for single player titles. I only have a PS3/XBOX 360 for racing games really, since I doubt PC will ever have titles nearly as good as Forza and Gran Turismo. But for SP titles... I don't see how console gamers can continue to do the same things over and over again. MGS and Uncharted are great, but feel very limited and you can partially blame consoles for this. MGS3 and MGS4 had to have many features removed due to the weakness of consoles.


I summed up my love for trophies in another thread:
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Trophies are enjoyable for a few reasons.

A) If you are competitive in nature they are a great way to compete with your buddies. Me and my best friend kinda talk some smack about "you can't get this trophy it's too hard for you", ect. For Motorstorm RC we could directly compete against each others race times to help us get our platinum, so we were constantly beating each other. We beat each other so much on one specific track that we both had identical times ranked #34 in the world.

B) They can give you a new appreciation for a game. I beat Fallout 3 on PC, along with 3 of the DLC packs. I bought the game of the year edition on PS3 just to get the trophies after, and on my way to 100% I played Fallout 3 in a more thorough way than I normally would, and it was super enjoyable. I actually enjoyed my 2nd play through on PS3 more than my first. This is just one example, but I can think of many.

C) You just feel accomplished. If it's a hard platinum, you really should feel proud, at least I do.

D) Think of trophies as a bonus. For me I don't buy my games entirely based off trophies, but I do find it rewarding that playing the crap out of a wonderful game gets me a reward I can show off.


I probably can't truly explain it to you guys who don't like it, because really I think it might have more to do with the type of person you are, or the people you are surrounded with.

As for Steam achievements, they just aren't done right. I think that's one of the biggest things I have against Steam. I love Steam though, don't get me wrong... I obviously have tons of PC games too ( 100+ on steam alone ), but trophies is a million times better than steam achievements.

Also it's a sad day when the best FPS I've played in the last 12 years is on console..
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XCOM falls flat of the bolded statement due to its story. Extreme difficulty is a requirement for me too, and a very good storyline is required for any game to be truly memorable to me. As for making you think, this usually ties into difficulty and story. Extreme difficulty is far more common on PC than it is console, and a very good story is rare on both but in recent years I've mostly found this on PC (Underhell, The Witcher 2, Penumbra, Amnesia, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Shadow of Chernobyl, and Metro 2033 which takes advantage of PC hardware).

To each their own but I found XCOM's weak storyline to be made up by its superb tactical gameplay and how you can get attached to your troops as they survive and level up in the ranks and customize them.

Underhell was amazing that is another game that got everything right but was too short.

STALKER got it right aswell but I felt like the ending was somewhat of a a letdown.

Metro was good but the stealth in that game sucks :/.

I've gotten pickier over the years this is also probably the reason why I game a lot less than I used to.

They don't make games like Castlevania SOTN, Zelda Ocarina, Balder's Gate 2, MGS 2, FF Tactics, or FF7. All of those games had superb gameplay (very difficult for the most part), excellent storylines, and were just all around everything most hardcore gamers could want in a game.

Now that gaming is more mainstream its hard to find a game that challenges you mechanically and strategically and has a good storyline to boot.
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To each their own but I found XCOM's weak storyline to be made up by its superb tactical gameplay and how you can get attached to your troops as they survive and level up in the ranks and customize them.

Underhell was amazing that is another game that got everything right but was too short.

STALKER got it right aswell but I felt like the ending was somewhat of a a letdown.

Metro was good but the stealth in that game sucks :/.

I've gotten pickier over the years this is also probably the reason why I game a lot less than I used to.

They don't make games like Castlevania SOTN, Zelda Ocarina, Balder's Gate 2, MGS 2, FF Tactics, or FF7. All of those games had superb gameplay (very difficult for the most part), excellent storylines, and were just all around everything most hardcore gamers could want in a game.

Now that gaming is more mainstream its hard to find a game that challenges you mechanically and strategically and has a good storyline to boot.

In XCOM you get attached to troops who have no background at all. I don't consider that part of a story.

You played the Underhell prologue. Chapter 1 comes out soon and it will be around 10 hours long. There are 5 or 6 chapters planned or something.

S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Shadow of Chernobyl has 7 endings. You must have gotten one of the 5 endings at the Wish Granter, which is the developers' way of laughing at you for not completing the game properly.

I never understood why people criticize Metro 2033's stealth. Maybe it was bad before any patches? I got it years later, and stealth is perfect. Crouch walking is effective when it should be, AI cannot see through pitch black unless they have night vision goggles, they react to noises you make such as taking down opponents.

Your last sentence however is 100% correct. In recent years, I've found that most games that fit such criteria are on PC.
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I've played most of those indie titles that you listed. I;m sorry but indie titles just do not have the quality of a mainstream released game. The only indie title that I ever enjoyed was Super Meat Boy and I'm pretty sure even thats on the consoles.

Those indie titles that you listed are obviously indie titles, they have plenty of bugs and the gameplay has many holes and they're not very popular or highly ranked amongst the other games out there that are not indie titles.

You're not looking hard enough if thats the only console games people recommend to you. They're forgetting games like Heavy Rain not to mention all of the PS classics that you guy buy in the PS store like FF tactics and a ton of other games for the PS1 and PS2. There are a ton of hidden gems for the PS3 and plenty of new amazing titles being released for it.

There are a few amazing PC games that I'm awaiting for but their release date is unknown. I still enjoy PC gaming just not as much as PS3 gaming. PC exclusivity/gaming isn't like how it was back in '07.
Who cares how popular or "highly ranked" they are? Call of Duty is probably the absolute most popular game nowadays, and it's trash with plenty of bugs and "holes" in the gameplay. I could post a number of youtube videos showing players spawn camping and getting 200 kills. Just because a game is popular and from a large studio doesn't mean it's good. Natural Selection 2's gameplay is simply brilliant and there isn't an FPS by any big studio I'd rather play.

Okay, so we've got Heavy Rain and Valkyria Chronicles that I agree with you are good games worth on PS3. That's two games. You shouldn't count PS1/PS2 classics. I can play those on my PS1/PS2, or on my PC via emulation. Heck, I'd much rather play PS2 games on my PC than my PS2 or PS3, because PCSX2 can upscale the game. Dragon Quest VIII looks beautiful with PCSX2 up-scaling it. Emulation is a large reason I spend so much of my time on my PC as opposed to my consoles. It's one place where I can play almost any game, with the exception of games from current-gen systems like Xbox 360 and PS3 exclusives. Sony re-releasing old games as classics on the PSN to make people pay for them again doesn't justify owning a PS3 or spending time using it, since I can already play those games in plenty of other places. Heck, even Android phones can play PS1 games now.
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In XCOM you get attached to troops who have no background at all. I don't consider that part of a story.

You played the Underhell prologue. Chapter 1 comes out soon and it will be around 10 hours long. There are 5 or 6 chapters planned or something.

S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Shadow of Chernobyl has 7 endings. You must have gotten one of the 5 endings at the Wish Granter, which is the developers' way of laughing at you for not completing the game properly.

I never understood why people criticize Metro 2033's stealth. Maybe it was bad before any patches? I got it years later, and stealth is perfect. Crouch walking is effective when it should be, AI cannot see through pitch black unless they have night vision goggles, they react to noises you make such as taking down opponents.

Your last sentence however is 100% correct. In recent years, I've found that most games that fit such criteria are on PC.

Well I play XCOM for the amazing gameplay, I still get attached to the troops bcause it's a pain trying to rank up your new troops and I give them new hair styles and what not. I play on the mode where once they're dead they're dead for good (Ironman I think it's called).

XCOM is the only tactical game released in who knows how long and they did an exceptional job at it.

I know what all of the endings are in STALKER but what disappointed me the most was how Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
The guy Strelok that you're after the whole time in the game is actually you, thats what let me down. I was hoping that Strelok was some mystical eerie character that you find in one of the undergrad labs and he was some epic guy but it turns out you're Strelok which was ahuge let down for me :/

Metros stealth isn;t up to par because if someone finds a dead body automatically it feels as though they know where you are so the only real option is the run and gun each level unlike games like Deus Ex HR and MGS where they got stealth right.
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Who cares how popular or "highly ranked" they are? Call of Duty is probably the absolute most popular game nowadays, and it's trash with plenty of bugs and "holes" in the gameplay. I could post a number of youtube videos showing players spawn camping and getting 200 kills. Just because a game is popular and from a large studio doesn't mean it's good. Natural Selection 2's gameplay is simply brilliant and there isn't an FPS by any big studio I'd rather play.

Okay, so we've got Heavy Rain and Valkyria Chronicles that I agree with you are good games worth on PS3. That's two games. You shouldn't count PS1/PS2 classics. I can play those on my PS1/PS2, or on my PC via emulation. Heck, I'd much rather play PS2 games on my PC than my PS2 or PS3, because PCSX2 can upscale the game. Dragon Quest VIII looks beautiful with PCSX2 up-scaling it. Emulation is a large reason I spend so much of my time on my PC as opposed to my consoles. It's one place where I can play almost any game, with the exception of games from current-gen systems like Xbox 360 and PS3 exclusives. Sony re-releasing old games as classics on the PSN to make people pay for them again doesn't justify owning a PS3 or spending time using it, since I can already play those games in plenty of other places. Heck, even Android phones can play PS1 games now.

I mentioned many other games earlier in this thread that are PS3 exclusives that are amazing and there are a ton of other hidden gems for the PS3 not to mention games that have yet to be released. I don't get involved with emulation as it's illegal for PS games and I'd rather sit back with the wireless controller and play them with trophie support. Plus you forgot to mention that even the best PC can;t even emulate the old SNES games properly, it would require a very, very, very (not even available) PC to emulate PS1 games properly not to mention PS2 games.
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I mentioned many other games earlier in this thread that are PS3 exclusives that are amazing and there are a ton of other hidden gems for the PS3 not to mention games that have yet to be released.
That can be said for any platform. There are plenty of cool yet to be released PC games. Take a look at Survarium since you love STALKER so much.
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I don't get involved with emulation as it's illegal for PS games and I'd rather sit back with the wireless controller and play them with trophie support. Plus you forgot to mention that even the best PC can;t even emulate the old SNES games properly, it would require a very, very, very (not even available) PC to emulate PS1 games properly not to mention PS2 games.
How is it illegal? You stick the disc in your CD drive and open it with the emulator. Acquiring the BIOS is only illegal if you don't own the system. If by "properly" you mean absolutely complete 100% accuracy, then you're just nitpicking. It does well enough. I play Dragon Quest VIII on my PC and it looks amazing upscaled, I don't really care if the emulation is 100% accurate if it means that an old PlayStation 2 game looks as good as some of the new PlayStation 3 games. It runs at 60fps and is perfectly playable. I use my Playstation 3 controller via Blutooth, or my wireless Xbox 360 controller, whichever I'm in the mood to use. I have an HDMI cable running from my PC to my TV, and I mirror my main monitor to the TV. That's also how I watch Netflix/Hulu/TV (via my TV tuner). That's what PC is all about, options. You can do anything you want with it. If you only use your PC to play PC exclusive games, then that's why you aren't spending much time on it. A PC is good for so much more than that.
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