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There simply isn't a valid reason to recommend a plasma TV to anyone buying a new TV right now unless you're some sort of absolute image purest and none of the other practical factors matter.
Plasma TV´s are still cheaper per inch then LCD/LED is
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Plasma TV´s are still cheaper per inch then LCD/LED is

The LCD/LED is likely a better long term investment.

Running costs would probrably negate that especially given the lifetimes of TV's. Someone on a tight budget isn't likely to be buying another TV anytime soon. It's also likely the LED will outlast the plasma lifespan wise. Resale value should hold better with the "perceived" newer tech aswell, should the need arise.
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What? Plasmas outright destroy LCD/LED in Picture Quality.

Motion handling is better
Blacks are infinetly better, and in turn contrast
No color shift on off angles
Full HD 3D


LCDS pros/Plasma cons:

Thinner
Lower power consumption, runs cooler
Quieter, some plasmas have noticeable buzz (Samsung E series, Panasonics are fine)
Absolutely no IR (or way harder to get). 2011 and 2012 Panasonics are especially bad for image retention. Samsungs handle IR way better, and gaming is not a problem on the E series
Line bleed - not really an issue, newer Pannies have very very slight line bleed
Brighter - altho new plasmas have fantastic reflection filters and hold up well in bright rooms
Passive 3D effectively halve resolution.


All the above pros are really non-issues for some people - if you do a direct comparsion of PQ between the an LCD and comparably priced Plasma in controlled environment (not a Best Buy showroom floor) - the plasma WILL destroy the LCD.

I would personally not consider an LCD outside of monitor.

Right now i would wholeheartedly recommend the Panasonic ST50 for movies, or the Samsung E6500 if you plan on gaming a little bit.

Or the higher end VT50 if you can afford it

Once calibrated (lowering brightness/contrast from factory defaults) the power usage isnt that bad - about 300w smile.gif Which is like 3 100w incandescent light bulbs. Or a Radeon/Geforce running 3D.
Edited by jerrolds - 1/23/13 at 9:18am
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Once calibrated (lowering brightness/contrast from factory defaults) the power usage isnt that bad - about 300w smile.gif Which is like 3 100w incandescent light bulbs. Or a Radeon/Geforce running 3D.

Er, it's more comparable to the entire system draw when rendering 3D.

300watts for a TV is unacceptable in this day and climate.
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How did you come to the reasoning that 300w is unacceptable for a modern TV?

300w isn't a lot for really any home entertainment product. My receiver for example, draws about 400w of power at load. That's well within industry standards.
 
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Er, it's more comparable to the entire system draw when rendering 3D.

300watts for a TV is unacceptable in this day and climate.

Nope new Radeon/Geforces pull about 350w when playing games http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7970-overclock-review,3186-11.html

Today, total system power usage is at least 450w - most ppl buy 550w+ PSUs

I think 300w is great for a 60" plasma, even old 720p 50" plasmas needed 500w http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TH-50PX75U?t=specs&support#tabs using 40% less energy to power 44% more pixels. (1280x720 vs 1920x1080)


and that was only about 4 years ago
Edited by jerrolds - 1/25/13 at 12:56pm
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Get the Samsung LED LCD.

Plasma is dead with less than 10% market share.

Its only 10% because the market is saturated with LED. Market share has nothing to do with the quality. Plasma is still the king of picture quality. The Panasonic VT50 is getting rated as one of the best TVs ever made. Its quite simply miles ahead of just about every other TV. Also its only 1600.00 in some places at 55 inches. Compared to other top end LEDs that is cheap.

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Nope new Radeon/Geforces pull about 350w when playing games http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7970-overclock-review,3186-11.html

Today, total system power usage is at least 450w - most ppl buy 550w+ PSUs

I think 300w is great for a 60" plasma, even old 720p 50" plasmas needed 500w http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TH-50PX75U?t=specs&support#tabs using 40% less energy to power 44% more pixels. (1280x720 vs 1920x1080)


and that was only about 4 years ago

Dude, Can you read?. Your link to TH graph reinforces exactly what I said. 350 watt load for TOTAL PEAK SYSTEM DRAW.

Having a high wattage PSU is for load balancing. You don't want a PSU near max load all the time.

At 14p per Kw/H, 400 watts is a lot for a television considering a LED TV will use a LOT less than that.
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How did you come to the reasoning that 300w is unacceptable for a modern TV?

300w isn't a lot for really any home entertainment product. My receiver for example, draws about 400w of power at load. That's well within industry standards.

What do you mean by "receiver?". I'm assuming the likes of a Sky+ box or something to that ends?.
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The fact is, you're not SOLELY buying a television based on its picture quality.

When I bought my TV. The plasma's I was looking at, had a very fuzzy picture albeit deep blacks, a good contrast ratio, and colours etc but the pixels were very obvious too, the LED panel was just that much crisper and the difference in colour, and contrast was barely noticeable to the trained eye.

Also, my TV, the Panasonic 47", consumes just 90w on average. The 51" plasma I was almost considering had a peak load of 400w!!!. That's completely unacceptable in any way shape or form. It also weighed a sheer ton, not to mention the possibility of burn and degradation, and the weight and heat of the thing was scary. My 47" LED weighhs just 14kg without the stand, It was easy wall mount without an overkill mount, and I can take it down by myself easily.

There simply isn't a valid reason to recommend a plasma TV to anyone buying a new TV right now unless you're some sort of absolute image purest and none of the other practical factors matter.


I'll give up my plasma buying when they aren't produced anymore, or until OLED is mainstream. I used to have an 2007 Samsung 42" base plasma, weighed in @ 80lbs and 300w consumption, at the time LCD were maybe a third more energy friendly and of course lighter, picture quality was bleh. I'm just wondering how long ago you were considering that 51" plasma? I bought a Panasonic 55" GT50 within the last 6 months and it doesnt go above 200w usage (if it even gets that high) and weighs 70lbs (Didnt have a problem slapping that bad boy up myself on the stand), generates as much heat as my crossover 27" monitor. Not to mention the Sammy plasma thats' still alive and kicking in the family room for everyone else's use hasn't lost any significant amount of brightness or degraded and its averaged 6-8 hours of on time for the past 5 years.

As far as recommending plasma I'd recommend a decent model to anyone that appreciates the black levels, color accuracy, screen uniformity, and less gimmicky marketing that comes with buying one. Even a couple of todays higher end LEDs look like they have nimbus clouds sitting in the panel when its an entirely black screen. LED and LCD have their place but saying there isn't a valid reason for plasma buying is a little brash
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What do you mean by "receiver?". I'm assuming the likes of a Sky+ box or something to that ends?.

Meant a home theater receiver like a 5.1 channel or 7.2 channel receiver
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What do you mean by "receiver?". I'm assuming the likes of a Sky+ box or something to that ends?.

 
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