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Looking at this ATM:

http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/surge-protectors/rackbar/RKBS15S2F8R.html

Budget is around $50ish........

Newegg (link) for $60

Ill be build my new desk starting next month, sick of dealing with the Octopus, and the cat playing with the Octopus, not a good idea for the kitty or the system.......

KS
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It has a nice Joule rating, but the clamping voltage is way too high at 400V.  150V would be much better.  I want to explain why, but I learned about this back in early 2008, and all I remember taking away from my research is, the lower the better.  At the time, 150V was the best, and it may still be.

 

Due to my heavy research back then, I ended up buying this:

 

Tripp-Line TLP810NET for $39.98 after shipping

 

http://www.tripplite.com/en/products/model.cfm?txtModelID=144

 

Sure, it's not a rack-mountable unit, but it has much better protection even though the Joule rating is slightly lower.

 

My reason for buying this one instead of any other is it had the best protection for my budget.

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post #3 of 14
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Any idea if this one has screw mounts on the backside?

Ya, think the Coaxial would work with docs3 from my IPS/Cable?

KS
post #4 of 14
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Originally Posted by knightsilver View Post

Any idea if this one has screw mounts on the backside?

Ya, think the Coaxial would work with docs3 from my IPS/Cable?

KS

 

It does have screw mounts.

 

Don't use the coaxial because it creates the potential for an inferior signal which would result in inferior performance.

 

I had mine connected to my TLP810NET, and one day I had to have Comcast come over for connectivity issues.  He fixed the problem and also taught me that it's best to avoid putting the cable through surge suppressors and other similar things because it can create problems with the signal.  He assured me too that there's actually no reason to put the cable through a surge suppressor because everything the surge suppressor is supposedly doing is already taken care of by the outside equipment.

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post #5 of 14
Consumer Reports hasn't tested surge protectors or backup power supplies in about a decade, but one of their reviews found a surge protector rated for 400V clamping gave better protection than many units rated 330V. And while they didn't list joule ratings, one unit with a very high rating ranked among the worst for protection, and some commercial protectors that seem to be a lot beefier than consumer units often have much lower joule ratings, probably because they're simply more truthful/less truthy.

One thing to look for is the presense of a good line filter, consisting of both coils and capacitors, because it can block lower voltage surges that make computers freeze or reboot, such as from a laser printer turning on. Also the presence of a good line filter usually means the rest of the surge protector is built better, too.
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Hi Twocables, do I need a surge protector for my pc?

I apologize for hijacking this thread.
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post #7 of 14
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Hi Twocables, do I need a surge protector for my pc?

I apologize for hijacking this thread.

 

I think that everyone does.

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post #8 of 14
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I think that everyone does.

Do i need a surge protector? Where i am from, no one uses a surge protector or UPS because we never get surges or power failure. What major benefits do surge protectors bring?
Edited by crazydj - 1/21/13 at 9:27am
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Do i need a surge protector? Where i am from, no one uses a surge protector or UPS because we never get surges or power failure. What major benefits do surge protectors bring?

 

When I did research in early 2008 so that I could comfortably make an informed purchase, one thing I learned is that there are supposedly surges constantly coming directly from the power company itself 24/7.  In addition, a surge happens each time something turns on or off that is powerful enough.  This can be a space heater, a hair dryer, a power tool, a vacuum cleaner, the garage door opener, a window air conditioner, a dehumidifier, a washer and dryer, a microwave, an electric stove and electric oven, refrigerator or freezer, possibly a high-powered stereo system, etc.  When our washer is running, I notice that the light coming from any incandescent bulb will pulsate constantly until the washer is done.  I believe that this is a sign of constant little surges - but I don't know for sure.

 

Sensitive electronic devices like our computers (and especially LCD monitors and TVs, based on what I read) are the most vulnerable to these surges.  That's not to say that these are the only things that need protection - but it's that they are the most vulnerable.

 

The bad thing I remember reading is that this is bad in the long-term.  So, the longer the exposure, the worse it is.  I also learned that it's a bad idea to just go out and get any surge suppressor, or to only go by the Joule rating, etc.  I needed to do more research, and so I did.  I learned what features are important and what to look for in each feature - as it pertains to modern surge suppressors.  In the end, I found about a half dozen units that I compared and tried to find reviews for and I eventually narrowed it down to one unit based on features like the number of outlets.

 

As was pointed out, Consumer Reports hasn't looked at surge suppressors in about a decade, and I have to assume that a lot has changed since then due to the general changes in our technology.  I mean, I can only assume that it would be a bad idea to protect a modern computer system with a 10-year old surge suppressor - even if it was never used!  So until Consumer Reports reviews some of today's surge suppressors, I'm going to say that their information is irrelevant due to being extremely outdated.

 

So anyway, yeah:  I believe everyone needs a good surge suppressor.


Edited by TwoCables - 1/21/13 at 9:52am
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Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post

When I did research in early 2008 so that I could comfortably make an informed purchase, one thing I learned is that there are supposedly surges constantly coming directly from the power company itself 24/7.  In addition, a surge happens each time something turns on or off that is powerful enough.  This can be a space heater, a hair dryer, a power tool, a vacuum cleaner, the garage door opener, a window air conditioner, a dehumidifier, a washer and dryer, a microwave, an electric stove and electric oven, refrigerator or freezer, possibly a high-powered stereo system, etc.  When our washer is running, I notice that the light coming from any incandescent bulb will pulsate constantly until the washer is done.  I believe that this is a sign of constant little surges - but I don't know for sure.

Sensitive electronic devices like our computers (and especially LCD monitors and TVs, based on what I read) are the most vulnerable to these surges.  That's not to say that these are the only things that need protection - but it's that they are the most vulnerable.

The bad thing I remember reading is that this is bad in the long-term.  So, the longer the exposure, the worse it is.  I also learned that it's a bad idea to just go out and get any surge suppressor, or to only go by the Joule rating, etc.  I needed to do more research, and so I did.  I learned what features are important and what to look for in each feature - as it pertains to modern surge suppressors.  In the end, I found about a half dozen units that I compared and tried to find reviews for and I eventually narrowed it down to one unit based on features like the number of outlets.

As was pointed out, Consumer Reports hasn't looked at surge suppressors in about a decade, and I have to assume that a lot has changed since then due to the general changes in our technology.  I mean, I can only assume that it would be a bad idea to protect a modern computer system with a 10-year old surge suppressor - even if it was never used!  So until Consumer Reports reviews some of today's surge suppressors, I'm going to say that their information is irrelevant due to being extremely outdated.

So anyway, yeah:  I believe everyone needs a good surge suppressor.

A very good read! I am sure alot of guys especially me have learnt from you.
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