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Nothing major, here is a quick picture. The paint and fin spacing has what I would call normal value rad irregularity or better, paint is actually a bit better than average. No real complaints about quality for the price point, but it is much lighter than I thought it would be..which I suspect is due to the aluminum materials? The core thickness is also fairly thin I think, need to do some measuring with caliper depth guage to see.

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Anyhow, no.. no obvious quality issues so far seems pretty good from what I see externally so far. My only obvious thing is no sleeving on the cables but they are at least black. The Larkooler kit didn't sleeve either but used clear wires where the H220 and XSPC kits both had nice black wire sleeving.
    
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Got four kits on my blog, just lazy to repost everything..smile.gif

Basic kit vs kit testing is mostly done although the H100i hoses were too short to test in the bottom so only have it and the H220 retesed for top mounting. I will need to retest the XSPC and Larkooler in top before having all four top mount tested. Also starting in on hydraulics work and will begin some sort of "how expandable" work for them all soon. So far the H220 is in the lead on lowest noise at like performance levels with the XSPC and H100i not following far behind. The larkoole is a ways off though, not quit sure why.
    
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Got four kits on my blog, just lazy to repost everything..smile.gif

Basic kit vs kit testing is mostly done although the H100i hoses were too short to test in the bottom so only have it and the H220 retesed for top mounting. I will need to retest the XSPC and Larkooler in top before having all four top mount tested. Also starting in on hydraulics work and will begin some sort of "how expandable" work for them all soon. So far the H220 is in the lead on lowest noise at like performance levels with the XSPC and H100i not following far behind. The larkoole is a ways off though, not quit sure why.

How did the h220 and h100i compare in thermal performance? Who wins and by how much?
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H220 wins by 1-4dbA at like thermal performance levels. Or if you hold the same noise level, the H220 is ahead by 1-3 degrees. H100i does have high speed capabilities with the 2700rpm fans, but not many will tolerate beyond 1800rpm noise levels anyhow which is why you see so many "what do I replace h100i fans with" threads. I hit 60dBA on the H100i where the H220 maxed out at 46dBA. No wonder people are replacing the kit fans, that is only 10dbA from vacuum cleaner noise levels..very loud and way beyond what most consider acceptable water cooling noise levels.

Fans are a big difference. Helix hits a range most would find acceptable noise levels and it does so with pretty good fan noise quality. The H100i fans are very much high speed fans that suffer from loud motors and quite a bit of harmonics between the two fans at all speeds making noise quality generally poor.

I would be pretty happy with the helix fans, they ramp up and down fairly well and smooth at slower speeds. The H100i fans are powerful at high speeds but have poor noise quality at slower speeds, they can get you by for a while, but I suspect most will want to replace the stock H100i fans with something more silent oriented.

H100i is an impressive thermal performer and a lot closer in thermal performance than I would have guessed, but the H220 is much better in noise. H220 has much better fans, better noise quality, and it's hard to look past the expandability.

H100i has the lower price and a little longer warranty, but the kit fans are just too loud and rough at slow speeds to be comparable in noise. I personally would have to relace the h100i fans right away due to the noise associated which make the price advantage less so.

Installation wise, both are extremely easy. H100i does have the preapplied TIM and the built in speed control can make the software piece easier to set up vs PWM settings, but the H220 has the superior mounting mechanism by far for LGA2011. The designed spring loads and thread stops ensure a perfect mounting pressure and level block. H100i uses a hard mount (no springs) and no stops so you have to guess. I think I got lucky with a good mount, but I can see more variability in results wih new users out there. The H220 definately has the more refined and better designed mounting system although some non 2011 users may prefer the H100i backplate system better due to the mechanical attachment vs sticky back which can mean less fumbling with the backplate.

Block bow - H100i is very flat which works ok with 2011 processors that are flat, but almost no bowing will make bond line thickness less desirable for concaved IHS and for smaller 1155 processors. H220 while not an extreme bow, it is there and better compatible with processor variance. My testing probably shows them performing closer due to my large 3930 IHS which is also pretty nice and flat. My previous gen 2600k would likely favor the H220 more. it has a bit of a concaved surface and really liked extremely bowed bases.

Regarding case compatibility, the H220 fit in my Switch 810 bottom or top location. Since it is compatible with tubing mods you could also possibly lengthen or shorten or run tubes through walls for external rad mount options. The H100i tubes were too short to fit in my bottom mount location on the Switch, so top only mounting is pretty limited.

Pump speed. H220 is variable from 1200-3000 for noise and power. H100i is fixed at 2300, no ability to speed up or slow down. Both fairly quiet but the H220 does need speed ramping as designed to get the most out of silent speeds. H100i has no control.

Pump build quality. H220 is a much beefier construction using ceramic shaft, ceramic bearings, and ceramic washers with both ends mechanically constrained. The Impeller on the H220 is also balanced. H100i uses a metal shaft and bronze bearing with only one end constrained and the impeller is not balanced. H220 is a 6w pump vs 2.2W of the H100i. H220 is much like a DIY pump where it becomes very apparent the H100i pump is AIO quality although I do think the H100i pump is better than the larkooler pump.

Radiator material- H100i uses aluminum so the loop is copper/aluminum mixed. H220 is a brass radiator core with copper fins so it has a nice low galvanic potential and you could run distilled water plus biocide without problems. H100i needs to remain sealed with the factory corrosion inhibitors or you could be asking for corrosion problems. A bit of a non issue if running the H100i as intended sealed, but something to think about for anyone thinking of mods.

H100i is a good kit but not up to the same level as the H220. If it came with the H50 fans it would be a much better silent kit, but it seems they focused on max performance with the kit fans and compromised noise levels and quality a bit.

Both very good performances though. I would be happy running either one although I would probabaly replace the H100i kit fans right away. Get the H220 if you plan to do any mods or expansion.

The h100i does have better paint finish on the rad, it is a real black and pretty nice. The H220 rad paint is more of a dark brown and not the best finish.

H100i Advantages - Better rad paint, Easier software setup, Higher fan speed capabilities, LED module.
H220 Advantages - Better Fan Noise Quality, better performance at the same noise level 1-3 degrees, better mounting mechanism, lower minimum noise level, adjustable pump speed, more versatile mounting options, better pump bearing and impeller.

Each kit designed for different things. H100i is focused on low price/max performance and compromises noise to get that. H220 is focused on a balance of low noise, good noise quality, high performance and expansion at a great price but higher than the H100i.

If the h100i came with better and more silent fans the price difference would be important, but considering the need to replace the H100i fans price differences are negligible and you get more with the H220.

My 2c, as always you should read multiple reviews and perspectives. Mine is just one under one very unique set of test conditions.
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thumbsupsmiley.png great info!

Agree 1,000% on the noise w/H100i. I just hooked mine up with push/pull yesterday. Two of the fans are GT AP-15s, the other two are stock and ungodly loud. Gonna switch those out the next time AP-14s or 15s go on sale.

I wubsmiley.gif Corsair's fan controller. The interface is meh but the ability to tune is a huge asset on my ASrock MITX board that basically has two settings: on and on. tongue.gif
 
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I wubsmiley.gif Corsair's fan controller. The interface is meh but the ability to tune is a huge asset on my ASrock MITX board that basically has two settings: on and on. tongue.gif

i had the opposite impression of Corsair's fan controller paired with AP-15s. They didnt want to change speeds quickly and were well over what they should've been according to what I set in CorsairLink.

maybe they fixed that in 1.0.5 though.

Nice review of the H100i. I do have to wonder though if you recommend replacing the fans, unless you already have extra fans lying around the cost of 2 GTs will put you past an unmodified H220. (not to be a h220 evangelist or anything). My sig is technically incorrect as i've gone back to the Helix fans for PWM control.
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No, you're right that they were slow to adjust, and I have to set the speed ~100 rpm below actual. But at least I have control... ASRock (at least the Z77E I have) forces fans to max RPM when temps get over 65C. thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif w/Link I can override that.

 
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FYI, finally got the H100i vs H220 using GT AP-15 fans testing done. Haven't retested the Larkooer or XSPC kits yet, but this should hold you over for the interim.

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It does show some tuning differences. The bigger gap is with the slower speeds, so the H220 and it's less dense fin spacing is slightly tuned for optimal performance using the slower speed fans as opposed to higher speeds. As you would expect, but finally using the same fans does confirm that a bit.

Also does show the GT AP-15 being superior to both kit fans at similar RPM levels by anywhere from 1-3 degrees. Noise being the biggest difference, putting the meters aside, the difference between H100i kit fans and the H100i with GTs was night (60dBA) and day(43ish dbA). You do loose a little bit of the top end speed, but well worth the dramatic noise improvement going to GTs. Much less pronounced noise benefit with the H220, but you do increase the top end by a few degrees.
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