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Also, from personal experience TRYING to troubleshoot their so called "Optimus" CAN be very difficult if not impossible in some cases. It's also very badly supported, and if the forum is anything like it was 8 months ago filled with complaints that are never replied to.
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Actually I think that it is very relevant. You can game on a amd apu at 1080p.

Just keep in mind that we're talking about a 120$ chip here, not a 250$ i5 with a 450$ GPU. If OP wanted to play the latest games maxed out he wouldnt be asking about the 5800k.

Yes, I realize that. But I never said anything about maxing out games. Perhaps I worded myself wrong.
The problem here is that it's not even a matter of maxing out the latest games, running some of them on low will be a hard feat for the 5800K . That's why I have (multiple times I think) asked the OP for some details about which games he intends to play?

Because right now I have to say: newer games @ 1080p on low settings/ DX11 = barely (and depending on the game of course).
If I tell him it'll game fine @ 1080p and he buys it (+ an FM2 motherboard) then jumps into a BF3 64 man action (worst-case scenario wink.gif ) and suddenly finds himself watching a slideshow ... well, then I think he wouldn't like me very much?
If that is what he wants to do then he should perhaps up the budget, cut costs elsewhere and get himself a 6300 and a cheap AM3+ board (because the 5800k is end of the line on the FM1 platform) + discrete GPU.
However, if he wants to have some fun in GW2 or TF2 or CS:GO, LoL then by all means, get that 5800k and enjoy it. In that scenario it's great performance for the money !

I hope I made my opinion a bit clearer now.

Also I don't see the point in the laptop, you'll max out the 7660D before the CPU in most games so there's no point in getting something slower GPU-wise to get a better CPU. Something that can't be upgraded nevertheless, and I have a feeling you will have a bad time getting rid of it if you decide to sell it off.
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Yes, I realize that. But I never said anything about maxing out games. Perhaps I worded myself wrong.
The problem here is that it's not even a matter of maxing out the latest games, running some of them on low will be a hard feat for the 5800K . That's why I have (multiple times I think) asked the OP for some details about which games he intends to play?

Because right now I have to say: newer games @ 1080p on low settings/ DX11 = barely (and depending on the game of course).
If I tell him it'll game fine @ 1080p and he buys it (+ an FM1 motherboard) then jumps into a BF3 64 man action (worst-case scenario wink.gif ) and suddenly finds himself watching a slideshow ... well, then I think he wouldn't like me very much?
If that is what he wants to do then he should perhaps up the budget, cut costs elsewhere and get himself a 6300 and a cheap AM3+ board (because the 5800k is end of the line on the FM1 platform) + discrete GPU.
However, if he wants to have some fun in GW2 or TF2 or CS:GO, LoL then by all means, get that 5800k and enjoy it. In that scenario it's great performance for the money !

I hope I made my opinion a bit clearer now.

Also I don't see the point in the laptop, you'll max out the 7660D before the CPU in most games so there's no point in getting something slower GPU-wise to get a better CPU. Something that can't be upgraded nevertheless, and I have a feeling you will have a bad time getting rid of it if you decide to sell it off.

Look below. Backwards double post.
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Yes, I realize that. But I never said anything about maxing out games. Perhaps I worded myself wrong.
The problem here is that it's not even a matter of maxing out the latest games, running some of them on low will be a hard feat for the 5800K . That's why I have (multiple times I think) asked the OP for some details about which games he intends to play?

Because right now I have to say: newer games @ 1080p on low settings/ DX11 = barely (and depending on the game of course).
If I tell him it'll game fine @ 1080p and he buys it (+ an FM1 motherboard) then jumps into a BF3 64 man action (worst-case scenario wink.gif ) and suddenly finds himself watching a slideshow ... well, then I think he wouldn't like me very much?
If that is what he wants to do then he should perhaps up the budget, cut costs elsewhere and get himself a 6300 and a cheap AM3+ board (because the 5800k is end of the line on the FM1 platform) + discrete GPU.
However, if he wants to have some fun in GW2 or TF2 or CS:GO, LoL then by all means, get that 5800k and enjoy it. In that scenario it's great performance for the money !

I hope I made my opinion a bit clearer now.

Also I don't see the point in the laptop, you'll max out the 7660D before the CPU in most games so there's no point in getting something slower GPU-wise to get a better CPU. Something that can't be upgraded nevertheless, and I have a feeling you will have a bad time getting rid of it if you decide to sell it off.


What exactly do you suggest he buys? He has a small budget. There's absolutely no better alternative than the A10-5800K at the price point. To get the same processor/graphics power, you'd have to buy a Core i3 3220 + GDDR3 6670 for $200 TOTAL.

The A10 alone can run BF3 @ Medium settings without a hiccup. I speak from experience and i'd be willing to make a video running medium settings w/ FRAPS running if you don't believe me. Again...I personally OWN an A10-5800K.
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That screen shot looks like single player bf3.

I any case the apu is least likely to win in the long run value department while it dominates in the short term.

Short term is fine of the games to play aren't demanding
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That screen shot looks like single player bf3.

I any case the apu is least likely to win in the long run value department while it dominates in the short term.

Short term is fine of the games to play aren't demanding

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FM2 is going to be around for another 2.5 years, recieve Richland APU's and Kaveri APU's....

LGA 1155 is being phased out in 4 months by LGA 1150
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What exactly do you suggest he buys? He has a small budget. There's absolutely no better alternative than the A10-5800K at the price point. To get the same processor/graphics power, you'd have to buy a Core i3 3220 + GDDR3 6670 for $200 TOTAL.

The A10 alone can run BF3 @ Medium settings without a hiccup. I speak from experience and i'd be willing to make a video running medium settings w/ FRAPS running if you don't believe me. Again...I personally OWN an A10-5800K.

Actually, yes. I'd love to see a video of the 5800k running Bf3 @ medium settings @1080p.

Somehow I get a feeling you think that I don't like the 5800k? I just think I'm not entirely convinced that it's as good as you make it out to be. There's something like owner's bias which is rampant in most user to user forums unfortunately...

And please don't mistake my skepticism for hostility ;-)
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5850 + 955 played bf3 on high
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5850 + 955 played bf3 on high

If you look @ the benchmarks of the A10-5800K you'll see that it outperforms the Phenom II 965 in all processor based situations and has the graphics performance of a dedicated 6670. You can be as skeptical as you want, but I physically own this processor and I'd have nothing to gain from lying about my experiences. Here's a few of my videos. This is me playing these games @ 1920 x 1080 with Fraps without any issues. I rendered a couple of the videos in 720P, which is why the Youtube option only goes up to 720P.


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5850 + 955 played bf3 on high

If you look @ the benchmarks of the A10-5800K you'll see that it outperforms the Phenom II 965 in all processor based situations and has the graphics performance of a dedicated 6670. You can be as skeptical as you want, but I physically own this processor and I'd have nothing to gain from lying about my experiences. Here's a few of my videos.


I actually wasn't trying to ding you with that post. Didn't even cross my mind to be ding ing the processor.

I was uncertain how the 5850 stacked up since I had a different processor... So I just put that out there for a reference point.

Don't get to defensive please! It's not that we think the A10-5800K is a bad option, we're concerned of us the best option for the OP. ^^

You and I are on the same page. I don't think we are that far off from eachther. It's misunderstanding on our end thinking you're saying it's THE BEST OPTION

and your thinking we're saying it's a FLAT OUT BAD Option
I think it's a good one but more flexibility is the best option, if he doesn't have the cash then it's worth waiting a little wink.gif
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