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Let's be brutally honest. Most people looking at an iMac are not concerned about the specifications of the product they're paying for. Why? Because the majority of the people buying computers are not tech savvy like all of us. If we are being realistic an iMac isn't a horrible choice, I mean where else are you going to find an all in one PC w/ a 2560 x 1440 resolution that runs Mac OSX natively? No where else.

Plus I think we can all agree that Apple isn't the only company ripping people off...My friends mother recently bought an HP Touchsmart PC for $850. I went over to check it out the other day and I was absolutely surprised at the minimal specifications for that price. It has an A4-3400 (FM1) 4GB of DDR3 1333, a 1600 x 900 touchscreen display, Windows 7 and a 1TB Hard Drive. At that price I expected something along the lines of an A8, 8GB of DDR3, a 1920 x 1080 touchscreen and Windows 8.
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I'm surprised no one else has raised the question but seeing as (at least for me) this is a totally unknown source. What if the CPU and or GPU start to throttle at thous temps?

The GPU is probably fine but I have seen many CPU even hotter rated laptop CPU's that start to throttle at less then 105°C. Old x2 turions for example would throttle form 1,9 GHz to 800Mhz the second the CPU temps hit 98°C.
    
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Solved.

Don't offer Apple ideas. They'll offer it as a $500 option and people will buy it.
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post #134 of 340
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Don't offer Apple ideas. They'll offer it as a $500 option and people will buy it.

You're right, that's bad if a business can make money off of something.
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You're right, that's bad if a business can make money off of something.

Don't use logic, this is OCN, logic does not exist here!
post #136 of 340
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Originally Posted by Domino View Post

You're telling me you can't fit a desktop GPU into that puppy? You're dead wrong. If you have no idea the size of the individual chip and board, then don't talk.
You're quick to call me out on being wrong but offer no explanation on how you'd fit a desktop GPU such as the GTX 660 Ti inside the iMac. It's too thick, and too long.
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What they can't do is properly meet the thermal footprint of the card itself. Apple's engineers can't design cooling systems worth crap. It's ridiculous how people even consider these products to be of a "high quality" when cheapo systems use some of the most basic cooling principles and keep their components cheaper, less expensive, and of a much higher quality as they are engineered properly.
So much bias. It's ironic that every other all-in-one out there has absolute rubbish for graphics. The iMac actually has graphics on par with the GTX 580 or near the GTX 660 Ti, and it's able to keep it well within thermal spec while running silently.
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smaller space = worse cooling?

no... worse cooling means worse cooling regardless of space. you can build a much cooler running system in something like a Silverstone TJ08E vs a a big old server tower with 2 80mm fans
in the case of that Sager it appears to have 3 separate fan with dedicated intakes and exhausts for each heat producing component. the imac appears to have 1 fan to cool both the cpu and the gpu

I know there aren't heatpipes because I have never seen a teardown of any Apple product that shows heatpipes. And of course the chassis gets hot, some of the components inside are almost reaching the boiling point of water. Just because you can feel that heat on the chassis itself means very little when the chassis is that close to the components. Just means whatever air that is inside there is warmer then the outside of the case is to the touch.
Yet the iMac is able to cool a desktop i7 3770 and GTX 680MX (122W) all while running the fans at 1100 RPM, which is pretty much total silence.

That Sager couldn't cool a GTX 680MX without the fans spinning up too high. It's a laptop for goodness sake. It's powerful, but loud. They all are.
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What is logic behind that? Makes no sense to me.
How does that not make sense? The Sager's fans will run much higher than the iMac's and it has three of them vs only one in the iMac. You can expect them to be able to run at such a low RPM in a laptop. It has three of them for a reason.
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How does that not make sense? The Sager's fans will run much higher than the iMac's and it has three of them vs only one in the iMac. You can expect them to be able to run at such a low RPM in a laptop. It has three of them for a reason.

The Sager has 3 fans. The mac has one. Why would the mac's fan run slower?

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post #138 of 340
Mmmm, all that heat on the nice screen too.

Anyway, family has a Mac like this, which is 2 gens old......although it still gets very hot while doing nothing. So hot that it burns your hand to the touch.. No way that heat can be good for any of the components inside.

Not that any Mac owners care, since they obviously have no clue what a GPU is. All they know is that it is a Mac, shiny and thin, so it must be good!!
Edited by NateN34 - 1/18/13 at 10:52pm
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Let's be brutally honest. Most people looking at an iMac are not concerned about the specifications of the product they're paying for. Why? Because the majority of the people buying computers are not tech savvy like all of us.

I'd say the average Mac user (willing to drop $1500 computer vs an average selling price of $420 for PCs) is more technologically informed, at least from my experience.

The truth is, a hot and loud GPU isn't necessary for most consumers, and the CPUs in modern macs are standard Intel offerings, which are more than enough for most desktop applications.

I'm extremely tech savvy and my laptop is an old thinkpad with a streamlined XP install and a core2due processor. It's more than enough for everyday use, my job (coding), and school.
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The Sager has 3 fans. The mac has one. Why would the mac's fan run slower?
Because it's able to expel heat better?
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