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Found this info on PS4.....didn't felt the necessity of opening another thread on a rumor
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According to a report from GamesIndustry on Friday, the PlayStation 4's AMD Jaguar tech will be a space sensitive device as each core takes up just 3.1mm2 of die-space at the 28nm fabrication standard.

When you take the L2 cache into consideration, the overall CPU could end up being as small as 75-80mm2 total. All of that is in contrast to the PlayStation 3's cell processor that was about 235mm2, with the PlayStation 2's processor size checking in at 240mm2.So given the eight core setup for this next PlayStation, there will still be plenty of space available to integrate the main GPU on the same die. This means that the cost savings will be much higher and the overall power consumption will decrease.

Source: http://www.examiner.com/article/new-playstation-4-system-specs-dissected
     
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Every mobile GPU is binned, the 7970m is nothing more then an under locked 7870 with a 75w reduction in power consumption. Then AMD slapped a 7970 badge on it to make it seem high end.

I'm well aware of AMD's naming scheme and that the 7970M is a binned Pitcairn part. I made no claims or intimations to the contrary.

However, I do think you are exaggerating the rarity of Pitcairn dies that could qualify for specs of the rumored PS4 GPU.
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Sounds garbage and looks like even the next gen consoles will be holding back PC gamers again in 2 years or less....In fact those specs arguably already ham string the possible tech leaps and graphics improvements that could happen without these already out dated systems holding the gaming world back.

Sigghhhh

Well thats my rant.
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Originally Posted by ManOnFire View Post

Sounds garbage and looks like even the next gen consoles will be holding back PC gamers again in 2 years or less....In fact those specs arguably already ham string the possible tech leaps and graphics improvements that could happen without these already out dated systems holding the gaming world back.

Sigghhhh

Well thats my rant.

Hmm that may well be the case but we'll witness a seemingly profound jump in games, graphics, physics and gameplay I presume with that extra processing power at the hands of developers, that's if they utilize it well.
With that speculated GPU a lot of things can be done with it especially when optimization comes into play, although I'm unsure about that CPU though, hopefully it packs enough punch to deliver a great deal of performance for a few years.
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Originally Posted by ManOnFire View Post

Sounds garbage and looks like even the next gen consoles will be holding back PC gamers again in 2 years or less....In fact those specs arguably already ham string the possible tech leaps and graphics improvements that could happen without these already out dated systems holding the gaming world back.

Sigghhhh

Well thats my rant.


And that's why the console cycle needs to be something less than eight years. Waiting two or three years for the next console to catch up is bearable, and releasing less powerful consoles may actually play a significant role in that.

If the hardware manufacturer loses money on the initial sale and needs to sell a lot of software to recoup the investment, then it's in their best interest to keep a console cycle going as long as possible (thus, our current situation). If the hardware is sold at a profit from day 1, and the entire project makes money in the first year (you will always have "some" development costs that need to be recouped), then they could have console cycles begin and end much more frequently while making money the whole time.
The Playstation 3 would be sunk if they had only sold 20 million units like the Gamecube and original Xbox did. Note that MIcrosoft lost billions upon billions of dollars on the original Xbox, where the Gamecube still did good enough even with its modest sales.
I have a feeling that's why Nintendo was so eager (or should we say, less hesitant) to get their next console out. The Wii, technically, didn't need to be massively popular to be successful. Neither does the Wii U. Chances are Nintendo would need pretty abysmal sales for multiple generations before giving up on the idea of making another console.
If Sony and Microsoft make money on the next generation from day 1 there is a much better chance that they won't cling to that piece of hardware like their lives depend on it. Hopefully, as a result, come fall 2018 we'll have updated hardware to refresh the videogame industry.
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However, I do think you are exaggerating the rarity of Pitcairn dies that could qualify for specs of the rumored PS4 GPU.

I'm not, don't you think that if AMD could make enough of these GPU's to be used in the millions of consoles they would release them for PC too? rolleyes.gif

The 7970m has a 15% drop in clock speed for a 50% reduction in power consumption, you do the math rolleyes.gif
Edited by almighty15 - 1/20/13 at 2:11pm
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I don't even want to think about launch price...
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I have a hard time believing they would both have the same CPU. These are probably bogus wishful specs. I wouldn't be surprised if the 8 core is true, though. They are trying to make consoles better, but they will never be on par with PC's till you can upgrade a console.. and that will never happen lol
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I'm not, don't you think that if AMD could make enough of these GPU's to be used in the millions of consoles they would release them for PC too? rolleyes.gif

The 7970m has a 15% drop in clock speed for a 50% reduction in power consumption, you do the math rolleyes.gif

Seriously,

1. 7970M is and have been readily available since the launch. There have never been any deliver problems to any notebook OEM. No waitinglist.
2. AMD had great yields with GCN ever since launch. Both Nvidia and AMD which produce their chips @ TSMC have a great boost in yields the latest months. Look at the previous generation, if you look at yields from launch to one year ahead, the yields were looking pretty good.
3. And you are way over the target about the power consumption. 7870 draws in average 103W. 7970M does not just draw 50W. There is a reason why 7870 was picked when they built the 7970M
Edited by Cloudfire777 - 1/20/13 at 2:39pm
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Seriously,

1. 7970M is and have been readily available since the launch. There have never been any deliver problems to any notebook OEM. No waitinglist.
2. AMD had great yields with GCN ever since launch. Both Nvidia and AMD which produce their chips @ TSMC have a great boost in yields the latest months. Look at the previous generation, if you look at yields from launch to one year ahead, the yields were looking pretty good.
3. And you are way over the target about the power consumption. 7870 draws in average 103W. 7970M does not just draw 50W. There is a reason why 7870 was picked when they built the 7970M

7870 TDP is 170w and the 7970m has a TDP of ~100w

And you say readily available? You do know that they only have small market sector to fill don't you?

Consoles and desktop markets require millions of units....

And AMD having great yields meems jack, Mobile parts are special chips and you only get a few per waffer.

I really suggest you go and do some reading up on yields for mobile parts before you even think about replying back to me.
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