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You might be right, the loss lasted less than a year though.

Microsoft Trims Xbox 360 Manufacturing Costs by 40%

If I'm not mistaken, he said "For a shorter time".... Would this not constitute that? You seem to be the one "trolling", talking about things and making assumptions when you actually have no clue and did no research of your own. It's pretty common knowledge that both consoles sold for a loss when they released. Everyone knew already that Sony was taking a bigger hit, no one debated that.

So now you are backpeddling and trying to make it sound like you were saying this all along. Well you weren't, you stated Microsoft never sold the 360 for a loss, which is dead wrong.
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Fortunately for us today, RAM is cheap. Since it is so cheap, my guess is that the system itself will be sold @ around $600, and at that price, they may even make a little money. The cost of the hardware they have laid out isn't that high right now.

We may actually get a really good set of consoles this next gen for not a lot of money. thumb.gif
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Wow I got flamed by so many posts. I am not a fanboy. If you guys read the Xbox article, Microsoft themselves said that 3-4GBs of ram will be -dedicated- for the OS itself.

I'd love to see how you managed to have only 10-15% idle usage though. I haven't customized Windows to use less since I never needed more than the free ram left on my desktop.

I am not a fanboy lol. I just had to use Linux on my laptop since it has such a low memory and I didn't want to be bothered in optimizing Win XP.

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Regarding the price, these are different times.

The Iphone sold out at launch being priced $1.2K.
People are willing to pay more for electronics than 2006.

Not to mention that if both M$ and Sony agree on a high price, then neither of them will sell badly. (As opposed to one being priced more than the other and being sold badly since people buy the cheaper option.) This is just an assumption though.
Edited by Boon McBoon - 1/28/13 at 9:59am
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Wow I got flamed by so many posts. I am not a fanboy. If you guys read the Xbox article, Microsoft themselves said that 3-4GBs of ram will be -dedicated- for the OS itself.

I'd love to see how you managed to have only 10-15% idle usage though. I haven't customized Windows to use less since I never needed more than the free ram left on my desktop.

I am not a fanboy lol. I just had to use Linux on my laptop since it has such a low memory and I didn't want to be bothered in optimizing Win XP.

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Regarding the price, these are different times.

The Iphone sold out at launch being priced $1.2K.
People are willing to pay more for electronics than 2006.

Not to mention that if both M$ and Sony agree on a high price, then neither of them will sell badly. (As opposed to one being priced more than the other and being sold badly since people buy the cheaper option.) This is just an assumption though.

If sony and microsoft agree on a high price, after their fines for price fixing...I would hop on the class action lawsuit that followed.
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If you guys read the Xbox article, Microsoft themselves said that 3-4GBs of ram will be -dedicated- for the OS itself.

This is why I think it'll be running Windows 8 in a cut down form.
    
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Fortunately for us today, RAM is cheap. Since it is so cheap, my guess is that the system itself will be sold @ around $600, and at that price, they may even make a little money. The cost of the hardware they have laid out isn't that high right now.

We may actually get a really good set of consoles this next gen for not a lot of money. thumb.gif

I still think ebay will be flooded with $2000 PS4's during release week.
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I highly doubt all of this. The 7970M probably costs quite a bit of money, which would make the PS4 cost much more than the next XBox, therefore console gamers would automatically purchase the XBox and insist there is no graphical difference. Some of my friends can't tell the difference between XBox 360 graphics and maxed out PC graphics at 1080p, either that or they're just closed minded. But, if this is true I'll have to upgrade my PC this summer... what's the fun of playing PC if I can't mock console gamers devil-smiley-019.gif?
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Just a tidbit for a lot of people to keep in mind.

Consoles have sold at a loss historically for a long time. Nintendo only bucked the trend with the Wii.

The PS2 sold in Japan at a loss originally of around $180

The PS3 sold at a loss of $200+ per console initially

The original Xbox sold at a rumored loss of $50-105 per console

The Xbox 360 sold at a loss of around $126 per console, before factoring in the major RROD issue

Microsoft as a gaming hardware developer with the Xbox didn't finally return a profit until 5 years after they started.

This isn't a new trend. Most consoles sell at a loss, not just because of the hardware costs but also the implicit R&D costs than went into developing the console, those costs have to be factored in for the company to truly break even. In the first year or so they manage to refine process and drive costs down and start to recover from those losses, and consequent revisions to the hardware help lower costs further. They always recoup their costs on the sale of accessories and royalties from games. I remember reading somewhere even the Wii U only becomes profitable to Nintendo after two games are purchased with the console.

Also keep in mind the prices we have in mind for components are the consumer prices. The negotiations that go on behind closed doors between AMD, Microsoft, and Sony over component pricing are guaranteed to be substantially lower than what we think of, and possibly very close to cost of manufacturing for the chip maker. The fact is they know they'll receive less of a margin from these prices, but the sheer number of units guaranteed to be ordered in advance for the console launch and subsequent ramp up more than makes up for that in absolute terms. The 7970m may be pricey for us, but for sony it may be half that price, maybe even less I have no idea.

That said, I don't think that pricing will go much beyond the 500 mark (even then I think they should keep it under 400). The fact is when they launched the PS3 at $600 it was seen as ludicrous; yes people bought the console, but the fact was a lot of people were turned off by that price point. Sony can't afford to make that same mistake again now, and I'm fairly confident they're not so stupid as to repeat it. They'll take a loss on the console, as they always have, but will push developers and their in house teams to make some really stand out titles to attract consumers as well as ensure console movement/loss recuperation from royalties.
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This is why I think it'll be running Windows 8 in a cut down form.

Windows 8, as is, not cut down in any way, doesn't use anywhere near 4GiB of memory by itself (outside of the standard caching stuff).

If the XBox 720 needs 3-4GiB dedicated to it's OS, it's got to be doing something fairly unconventional with it.
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Windows 8, as is, not cut down in any way, doesn't use anywhere near 4GiB of memory by itself (outside of the standard caching stuff).

If the XBox 720 needs 3-4GiB dedicated to it's OS, it's got to be doing something fairly unconventional with it.

Wonder if it has something to do with the next kinect, maybe this time the processing is done by the console itself instead of having onboard parts. Or maybe whatever that new immersion VR system they had rumored a little while back needs that extra RAM.
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