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I don't know why people keep saying this. Almost all consoles have been state of the art when they where released. Even the current gens Xbox360 despite power, size and cost concerns still sported a very advanced 3x PPU CPU and the worlds very first GPU with unified shader architecture and the PS3 Cell processor was no less impressive when it was made.

This at a time when most PC's where still running Pentium D and Core 2 Duo was the fastest stuff money could buy.

People got to remember how freaking old the current gen consoles are.

Today top of the line parts aren't possible for power consumption and cooling requirements though since those are much higher than they used to be.
 
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Today top of the line parts aren't possible for power consumption and cooling requirements though since those are much higher than they used to be.

Agreed, but a 7970m is very much in the realm of possibility. Basic rule of thumb: if you can put it in a laptop you can put it in a console, at least as far as heat and power consumption goes. Price is a much harder thing to guesstimate as there is no real way of knowing what kind of deals are going on behind closed doors, or if Microsoft/Sony is willing to initially sell the consoles at a loss.
    
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post #83 of 332
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Agreed, but a 7970m is very much in the realm of possibility. Basic rule of thumb: if you can put it in a laptop you can put it in a console, at least as far as heat and power consumption goes. Price is a much harder thing to guesstimate as there is no real way of knowing what kind of deals are going on behind closed doors, or if Microsoft/Sony is willing to initially sell the consoles at a loss.

Yeah, and it's especially possible if what they're saying in the article is true, lower clocks and part of the die disabled.
 
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post #84 of 332
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Agreed, but a 7970m is very much in the realm of possibility. Basic rule of thumb: if you can put it in a laptop you can put it in a console, at least as far as heat and power consumption goes. Price is a much harder thing to guesstimate as there is no real way of knowing what kind of deals are going on behind closed doors, or if Microsoft/Sony is willing to initially sell the consoles at a loss.

Well surly AMD is selling at a reasonable rate, They don't really need the high markup as they will be mass producing these things. Power and heat will be fine, but can't really call 7970m top of the line ether. It is a good fit for a console though, can't really get better then GCN in a console ATM. Though I would rather wait loner for a better CPU IMO. I can't see a APU costing them that much extra, They should have held off till they could stick one of those newer AMD APU's with HSA improvements and built in GPU to aid the dedicated 7970m. They originally wanted a dual graphics idea, and HSA APU would be vary interesting tech to debut in a console. Releasing a PC with a xbox sticker didn't work out that well for MS last time, maybe Sony can pull it off. Other wise they should have innovated a little better.

Hoping to get other OS tossed back into the system options though, windows + steam on a x86 console = cheap way to play PC games as well. Would kill the need to have a steam box tongue.gif
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It ain't that easy their is Sega arcade machines that are purely PC based and still have not been cracked or emulated.

Completely custom hardware, only available through an NDA? (even though PC-based)

Consoles are widely available to open and tinker with. Plus there are devkits on the wild.
   
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I don't know why people keep saying this. Almost all consoles have been state of the art when they where released. Even the current gens Xbox360 despite power, size and cost concerns still sported a very advanced 3x PPU CPU and the worlds very first GPU with unified shader architecture and the PS3 Cell processor was no less impressive when it was made.

This at a time when most PC's where still running Pentium D and Core 2 Duo was the fastest stuff money could buy.

People got to remember how freaking old the current gen consoles are.

Conversely, doing this currently just is not possible - state of the art would not work in a modern console. The state of the art graphics silicon has cooling, size and noise characteristics that is far from being feasible in a console size box, things are very different now than they were in 2005.

That being said, I really do hope the 7970m is true. That is a hell of a graphics chip for a console.
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A 7970M is likely.

If both Sony AND Microsoft are running AMD's CPU and GPU's, that's millions of chips. I am pretty sure the console makers are getting the parts at a hefty discount relative to street price.
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Weren't the specs leaked by ex-AMD executives to include low-end AMD graphics? According to some articles and recent videos I have watched the next Xbox will feature an IBM processor and a modified version of the HD 6670. The PS4 is supposed to have an A8-APU along with a dedicated 7670 (a rebranded 6670). Let's also keep in mind that consoles can more effectively utilize hardware and allocate resources than their gaming PC counterparts, and that performance will probably be closer to a 7770 graphics-wise.

It's kind of sad that the specs are so low-end, but this also means that next-gen consoles will be able to be sold for $350. If consoles included an 8-core CPU with a 7970 the price would be too drastically high, especially in this economy. Sony may have been able to pull that off in 2006 with a $500+ console, but in 2013 that will not work.

Sources:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/16/amd-stolen-documents-lawsuit/
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/16/next-gen-secrets-allegedly-leaked-to-nvidia-by-former-amd-executives
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Oh goody...another overpriced piece of Sony junk. /puke

I'll stick to the good consoles thank you.
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Cool if true. Still won't buy it unless Sony confirms it can play previous-gen games and does not make use of that ridiculous no-second-hand-game DRM they patented.
    
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