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I bought 5 3TB WD red drives since there was a special on them which is now forcing me to accelerate my plans to build a decent server so I was hoping to speed up the process by asking for help around here.

I plan to use it as massive storage(I plan to add more drives in the future) and I'll most likely centralized most of what my current servers are doing(automated downloads, sftp server, web server, IRC bot, asterisk server) since they're mostly for my personal use so they don't use too much resources anyway.

I'll be using a BSD type OS(I'm still wondering if I should go with straight FreeBSD 9 which I'm already familiar with or some distro made for NAS) and use the ZFS filesystem to create a software RAIDZ2(I'm not very familiar with the terms so I might be using it wrong). The OS will be on 2 hdd set with the RAID0 equivalent of ZFS(mostly for fun and I need temporary storage for downloads and don't want to use an SSD for it).

The motherboard should ideally have 2 gigabit network adapter, I'll most likely be using a 4U case(it will be installed in a server rack which I already own) and I'll need plenty of RAM since I want to try making a RAM drive(again, mostly for fun).

My budget is pretty flexible(without too much exaggeration) since I mostly want to know what my options are so all suggestions are very welcome.
Edited by SamKook - 1/19/13 at 9:25am
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So far, after some compromises since it's pretty hard to find something that fits exactly what you want, here's what I selected so far:

MB: Supermicro X9SAE-V
CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1240 V2 Ivy Bridge
RAM: Kingston 4x8GB KVR16E11K4/32 (might have to buy those 1 by 1 since I can't find a place that has the kit in stock)
Case: Rosewill RSV-L4500 (would have preferred something with hotswap bays and 20 instead of 15 3.5" bay, but the 120mm fans, which very few case have, are very interesting to make it quiet and I can probably convert it later)

Edit 1:
HBA: LSI LSI00302 (9207-8i Kit)
Edited by SamKook - 1/23/13 at 5:18pm
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Finally found everything. I just hope I'll be able to get some feedback before I buy.

Here's the complete part list:

HDD:
5x Western Digital Red WD30EFRX 3TB for storage (already bought for 150$ each)
2x Western Digital WD Black WD5003AZEX 500GB in stripe for OS drive since I want a fairly large temporary drive for downloading/processing files (will buy locally for 80-85$ each)

MB: Supermicro X9SAE-V 228$

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1240 V2 Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz 285$

RAM: Kingston KVR16E11K4/32 32GB 4X8GB 285$

HBA: LSI 9207-8i PCI-Express 3.0 x8 Low Profile SATA / SAS Host Controller Card 321$

PSU: Athena Power Zippy HG2-6400P 400W 105$

CASE: Rosewill RSV-L4500 4U Rackmount, 15 Internal Bays since I wanted one with 120mm fans to try and keep the noise at a minimum and wanted to use sata3 to plug the drives(even though it doesn't matter right now for hdds). 130$


Which would bring the total to around 2275$ before taxes and shipping.
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Hmm, good to know.

I guess I'm still in the mindset of my current system where I keep lacking free disk space and would really need a bigger temporary storage. I'll have to rethink the 2 OS hdd.
There's also the ZIL performance that worries me a bit now. I'll have to do more research on that.
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Windows Server 2012 Essential is pretty good too with bare-metal backup and client console.
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I much prefer a unix type of OS though.

You don't need to load a graphical interface for it to run(which isn't possible with windows these days as far as I know) which is very useful when your GPU can't handle displaying one anymore like my current server and you still need to use it.

But mostly because the softwares I use are easier to setup and have been mostly designed to run on unix type Oses. And I have a few scripts written to automate some things written in bash. I've also yet to find how to run a python app in the background without launching it from a vbscript in windows.

I also have less trust in windows stability even though I've been very pleased with 2k3 so that might not be founded on anything solid.
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I much prefer a unix type of OS though.

You don't need to load a graphical interface for it to run(which isn't possible with windows these days as far as I know) which is very useful when your GPU can't handle displaying one anymore like my current server and you still need to use it.

But mostly because the softwares I use are easier to setup and have been mostly designed to run on unix type Oses. And I have a few scripts written to automate some things written in bash. I've also yet to find how to run a python app in the background without launching it from a vbscript in windows.

I also have less trust in windows stability even though I've been very pleased with 2k3 so that might not be founded on anything solid.

Understandable. I work in AIX, Solaris, RHEL, Windows.... but at home, I perfer Windows.

I believe Windows Server 2012 (not Essential) has a CLI mode.
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The hardware looks great. The HBA may be a little overkill since ZFS will work with any SATA controller that can run in JBOD mode. If you need one because you anticipate expanding with a ton of drives, you might as well go for one with external SAS connectors. That way, if you need to go crazy with storage you just need to buy another one of those Rosewill cases and stick HDDs in it with a PSU as a "dumb" box and use a Mini 8087 SAS cable/external to internal/multiplier to tie the two boxes together.

I don't think the temporary RAID-0 is needed since you're using ZFS because it already stripes across all VDevs. My suggestion is run 5x 3TB drives in a single RAIDZ2 array and have a mirror for the OS. When you get the extra drives, just add them on top of the existing RAIDZ2 array and ZFS will stripe them together. It will be a lot faster and more flexible than the RAID0 you plan on doing. Though, what you plan on doing can be done but it will complicate things since you need to manually move things between the arrays.

ZIL drives only work on synchronous writes. All asynchronous writes will be cached in RAM first. This is what a lot of people going into ZFS won't understand because ZILs won't act as a general write cache. You need to evaluate what you're doing to the server first before considering a ZIL SSD. Luckily this is very simple since you can dynamically add and remove ZILs from arrays so you can evaluate the array while it's live. ZIL sizing is also very easy since ZFS writes in bursts and not constantly. Basically ZFS will gather data in RAM and ZIL for about 5 seconds then burst write them onto the array in one swoop (kind of like a sql database). So for the ZIL size, you just need something that's about 2-3x the amount of writes you can do in 5 seconds. Even for something a box with 10Gb ethernet you only need about 20GB of SSD ZIL space. This is because the maximum write speed you can do to that box is 1280MB/s (10Gb) * 5s = 6400MB * 3 = 19200MB (18.75GB). If you get anything larger it will be wasted because the ZIL will be emptied every 5s so before so you can never fill it up.

PS: I use ZFS in production servers and my home server. If you have any more questions I'd be happy to answer them
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I indeed got a bit carried away with the HBA, but I wanted to get a sata3(mostly for future proofing) one that would support more than 4 drives without slowing them down and it fit that perfectly at a price I was still willing to pay. If you have a cheaper alternative in mind I'd love to hear it.

The 2 RAID0 OS drives were to get faster speed without having to use an ssd. I was planning to have them completely separate(in a different zpool) from the other data drives.
The data drives will all be in the same zpool in vdevs of 6(I'll buy another 3TB) drives in RAIDZ2 and I'll add more vdevs of 6 drives which ZFS will stripe together.
I wasn't planning on having redundancy for the OS drive and was thinking of simply backuping the OS(by creating an image or something) from time to time since the important stuff shouldn't change very often.
One thing I was wondering about is will the ZFS data zpool still work if I lose the OS drive? I'm not exactly clear on where the RAID information is stored.

Thanks for the ZIL explanation, it was really helpful. I was mostly worried about it since I'm not sure what use synchronous and what use asynchronous. The most important one to know would be network transfers.
At least it's good to know that this can be evaluated and upgraded if needed after everything is set up.
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