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I found this in another thread : http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20130117233616_Intel_Starts_Production_of_Next_Generation_Haswell_Microprocessors.html

If Haswell really does come out within March, I see no reason not to wait. Especially with 1155 dying out and all.

But, in case you just cant wait any longer, you should get a 3570K if it is only for gaming. And if you're worried about multi-threaded apps, you can always get a 3770K.

Also, about AMD, I think 8350 is the equivalent counterpart of 3570K, not 8320. If you want to get AMD and still get 3570K-ish performance, I think you should at least get an 8350.
I'm pretty sure there isn't a difference between the 8320 and 8350 besides clock speed, correct me if i'm wrong. I don't see a point in getting the 8350 when I can just overclock the 8320 to it's levels

As for Haswell back in December when I was planning the upgrade I really wanted to wait but that was also before it got delayed. I plan on running this CPU for about 4 years I don't upgrade my CPU that often because I like to feel like my upgrade is really worth it. So Haswell is about 3 months away correct? Based upon how long I will have this CPU Should I wait?
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I never said they are equal in synthetic benchmarks, I was only talking about game performance if you actually bothered to read before making your posts.
I did also post that 3570K is slightly faster in synthetic benchmarks and encoding etc.

 


Then why would you recommend an inferior processor, since Ivy has PCIE 3.0, higher IPC, lower TDP, stronger IMC, better multi-monitor support (SB 2 monitors vs IB 3 monitors).

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I'm pretty sure there isn't a difference between the 8320 and 8350 besides clock speed, correct me if i'm wrong. I don't see a point in getting the 8350 when I can just overclock the 8320 to it's levels

As for Haswell back in December when I was planning the upgrade I really wanted to wait but that was also before it got delayed. I plan on running this CPU for about 4 years I don't upgrade my CPU that often because I like to feel like my upgrade is really worth it. So Haswell is about 3 months away correct? Based upon how long I will have this CPU Should I wait?

I'm finding it hard to give an objective answer here because I personally can not run a system for four years. I brought my Q6700 machine out of retirement a few months ago while I was building a new machine and it was so slow it made me want to drink bleach.

That being said, 1155 is a dead end, and AM3+ is in a coma on life support indefinitely. AMD fans like to brag about the less frequent socket changes but the fact of the matter is they simply cannot afford to develop a new one (which is bad for ALL of us). Intel is moving to smaller and smaller sockets by integrating more into the die so less pins are needed. Still a hassle to swap out every year or two though.

What has not been asked is your budget. What other things are you upgrading, etc? That would really determine the choice.
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I'm finding it hard to give an objective answer here because I personally can not run a system for four years. I brought my Q6700 machine out of retirement a few months ago while I was building a new machine and it was so slow it made me want to drink bleach.

That being said, 1155 is a dead end, and AM3+ is in a coma on life support indefinitely. AMD fans like to brag about the less frequent socket changes but the fact of the matter is they simply cannot afford to develop a new one (which is bad for ALL of us). Intel is moving to smaller and smaller sockets by integrating more into the die so less pins are needed. Still a hassle to swap out every year or two though.

What has not been asked is your budget. What other things are you upgrading, etc? That would really determine the choice.

Don't wanna start a war and it isn't my intention, but I know alot of people use the dead socket excuse on 1155 and how AM3+ will still be supported, but chances are years from now when steam roller is out it might end up performing only as good as the ivy or maybe not, who knows (just speculating due to it being the same socket using the same tech) while intel might be another generation ahead already in front of haswell and who knows what performance that might bring. Sure there is an upgrade path, but at what performance? If you had a 3570k you could always go to a 3770k on a dead socket, and it will beat the 8350 in most things now, and 3 years whenever steamroller is out would it have been worth the wait just for an upgrade path? The 3770k would probably still last till then also.

BUT, don't ridicule me yet lol, if you already have am3+ i would say just stay there right now, since MONEY is a big issue with alot of people then it always will be and has to be AMD, that is just the truth. You will save more money in the long run with AMD and if you already and an am3+ motherboard. If you wanna pay that premium for Intel performance go right ahead but money seems to be a problem. Yes you will pay more for intel for that performance premium, but you will end up saving money with AMD's price and performance. If OP wants intel, I say wait haswell then.
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I'm finding it hard to give an objective answer here because I personally can not run a system for four years. I brought my Q6700 machine out of retirement a few months ago while I was building a new machine and it was so slow it made me want to drink bleach.

That being said, 1155 is a dead end, and AM3+ is in a coma on life support indefinitely. AMD fans like to brag about the less frequent socket changes but the fact of the matter is they simply cannot afford to develop a new one (which is bad for ALL of us). Intel is moving to smaller and smaller sockets by integrating more into the die so less pins are needed. Still a hassle to swap out every year or two though.

What has not been asked is your budget. What other things are you upgrading, etc? That would really determine the choice.

Well I'm upgrading my Motherboard, Ram and CPU. I plan on going with a all in one water cooler so I can oc a little bit higher. My budget for all is around 600 could go higher if deemed worth it.. The motherboard I was going to go with was the Saber tooth for z77 or 990fx with 8gbs of ripjaws. For the all in one CPU cooler I was going to go with a Corsair H80. That was of course for the 8320 or 3570K Haswell is site unseen but i'm starting to think I should be a early adopter. I guess I really should say about 3 years but who knows we could have a revolutionary advance in processors... Doubt it
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Well I'm upgrading my Motherboard, Ram and CPU. I plan on going with a all in one water cooler so I can oc a little bit higher. My budget for all is around 600 could go higher if deemed worth it.. The motherboard I was going to go with was the Saber tooth for z77 or 990fx with 8gbs of ripjaws. For the all in one CPU cooler I was going to go with a Corsair H80. That was of course for the 8320 or 3570K Haswell is site unseen but i'm starting to think I should be a early adopter. I guess I really should say about 3 years but who knows we could have a revolutionary advance in processors... Doubt it

If you lived near a microcenter you could squeeze a 3770k for $229 into that budget I think. If you are set around $600 then an 8320 with a good 990FX board would be the better choice, it overclocks well and will handle just about any games. Hopefully Steamroller would be a nice upgrade, OR we might see programs that take advantage of the additional threads in the coming years.


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Don't wanna start a war and it isn't my intention...

I'm an equal opportunity hater, both AMD and Intel have faults right now. Both of those arguments are relatively asinine though, which is why I pointed them out. I don't feel like Haswell is going to bring a ton to the table that makes it worth waiting for in a gaming sense. It seems mostly targeted at power saving, efficiency, and better iGPU. I think with Haswell we will see the gap between mainstream (1150) and High end (2011) widen a bit.
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If you lived near a microcenter you could squeeze a 3770k for $229 into that budget I think. If you are set around $600 then I think an 8320 with a good 990FX board would be the better choice, it overclocks well and will handle just about any games. Hopefully Steamroller would be a nice upgrade, OR we might see programs that take advantage of the additional threads in the coming years.
I'm an equal opportunity hater, both AMD and Intel have faults right now. Both of those arguments are relatively asinine though, which is why I pointed them out. I don't feel like Haswell is going to bring a ton to the table that makes it worth waiting for in a gaming sense. It seems mostly targeted at power saving, efficiency, and better iGPU. I think with Haswell we will see the gap between mainstream (1150) and High end (2011) widen a bit.
Yeah I see haswell as something more for the mobile market, delivering maybe just a little bit more performance while using less energy but nothing revolutionary imo, but I mean might as well jump on new tech if it's close by.
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Then why would you recommend an inferior processor, since Ivy has PCIE 3.0, higher IPC, lower TDP, stronger IMC, better multi-monitor support (SB 2 monitors vs IB 3 monitors).

Those higher IPC, TDP, IMC offer no real benefits anywhere except benchmarking, if 3570K didn't have those silly temperature issues then it would be a damn fine CPU but as it is right now, it just isn't worth it if you can overclock at all.
PCI-E3.0 offers as much benefit as upgrading from Sandy to Ivy right now, it is near zero with a very few exceptions to it.

I have to ask, what has your CPU got to do with multimonitor support?
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I'm pretty sure there isn't a difference between the 8320 and 8350 besides clock speed, correct me if i'm wrong. I don't see a point in getting the 8350 when I can just overclock the 8320 to it's levels

As for Haswell back in December when I was planning the upgrade I really wanted to wait but that was also before it got delayed. I plan on running this CPU for about 4 years I don't upgrade my CPU that often because I like to feel like my upgrade is really worth it. So Haswell is about 3 months away correct? Based upon how long I will have this CPU Should I wait?

Since the 8350s are already clocked 500 MHz higher than the 8320s, shouldnt they have more overclocking headroom? I have no personal experience regarding the matter, so I cannot come to a conclusion. But if it is true that 8320s overclock just as well as and are the same in every other respect as the 8350s, then by all means get the 8320 instead of the 8350.

Sorry for the misinformation. But it seems like Haswell is actually about 6 months away.

I'm sorry but I don't think that you'll be able to use any CPU for 4 years and still run every game comfortably, even with regular GPU upgrades. Also, there is the fear of games starting (or worse, requiring) to use more than 4 cores. Since Intel hasnt released any mainstream CPU with more than four cores in the recent past, these users could be in trouble if games are optimized for more than four cores.

About upgrade path : If you really do keep the CPU for four years, chances are that the AM3+ will be dead by then. Then it will have resulted in nothing going for AMD.

Also, if you are so keen on sticking to one CPU/socket for so long, why aren't you opting for socket 2011? Get a decent board with a Sandy-E, then when you feel the need to upgrade, just get a Ivy-E (due this year), or a Haswell-E (when they come out).

CAUTION : DDR4 RAM and GDDR6 VRAM are supposed to become mainstream by 2014 (or at least by the end of it). So be careful, since you don't want to upgrade any time soon.

But if the fact that the 3770K is going to be sufficient for gaming for ~4 years is true, then I don't think it is necessary to wait for Haswell. (Makes me sad! I postponed my upgrade waiting for Haswell!)

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6 months? Hmm seems like a long time to wait... I got the upgrade bug. I may just go with the 3770k to insure the longevity. Also I may have been exaggerating when I said 4 years. frown.gif
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