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Originally Posted by IBooNI View Post

Honestly, I had no problems with these body scanners personally. I am willing to walk through these scanners for the extra security during flights.

Then you, good sir, are part of the problem.

Personally, I try to avoid being blasted by cancer causing radiation as much as I can.
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post #52 of 79
It's all just more crap to keep the public scared. I remember reading an article a while back, some guy had used a raft or something, went up to an airport, got through from the outside to inside the airport. Sat around for a while, then proceeded to tell security exactly how he "sneaked" in and said they should probably do something about that. I think it might have been a journalist, it was a while ago.

It is almost as if Americans do not know how their land that they call America first came to be. It's actually really, really funny as an outsider.
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post #53 of 79
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Terrorists strap bombs to children pretty normally http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500257_162-3797487.html
Down syndrome suicide bombers http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-511678/Al-Qaeda-use-Downs-syndrome-women-blow-99-people-Baghdad-markets.html

If you don't believe in the concept of a nation state, don't quote people like Benjamin Franklin or Thomas Jefferson because they believed so strongly in the concept of a nation state, that they created one. They believed participation in the political process could solve our problems, hence why they sacrificed so much to create the republic. Quoting them without taking their actions into consideration is a fallacy.

Historians aren't imprisoned here in the states. I know because several of my professors back in college taught some pretty unofficial stuff with impunity. Conspiracy theories and revisionist history is spouted every single day here, nobody is jailed. Look at the fundamentalist christians clash with evolutionaries or any other fringe vs mainstream. Journalists regularly report on government abuse and neglect. The mere fact that journalists, politicians, and regular citizens can criticize the government with impunity in print and online kinda proves we aren't living in an Orwellian dystopia.

The Vietnam War was an unjustified meat grinder of a war just as Iraq is today, and journalists regularly report deaths. Should we always show everything uncensored on TV? I don't know, but I can say that journalists in the past were a lot more constrained on how they voice their opposition to government policy. All you have to do it look McCarthyism and the Red Scare to understand that. If you think the U.S. is some sort of modern day 1984, buddy you haven't lived in a real oppressive society. My family came here in the years following the end of the Vietnam War and it's nothing like a party dictatorship in the states. Politburo? Hah, not when you can type or say stuff like you are and not worry about your door being busted down in the middle of the night and whisked off to a reeducation camp. We literally live in the most prosperous peaceful period in human history. The last time the world knew this much overall peace was during the Pax Romana.

I'm not trying to say everything is perfect and great, but it certainly isn't nearly as bad as you and other reactionaries have made it out to be. In the grand scheme of history, this is actually pretty good.

I quote the founders of the US because they were wise men. They didn't envision any nation enslaved by the very predatory bankers who have enslaved the entirety of the world and trample any nation that isn't under their control. But you are saying I am not permitted to quote their wisdom simply because I don't like the idea of a nation state, the very concept of which is barely a century old. Going along with what you're saying anyone who quotes them must also agree to slavery and puritanism, as they were mostly puritanical and were slave owners.

The Daily Mail report spends so much time reporting the victims it ensures readers forget the perpetrator and accept that it was someone with down. Nothing but emotional reporting with no background information, thus the story is unreliable.

CBS are doing the exact same: reporters have seen the footage, so, trust us we know what we're talking about. Like we haven't heard that tired line before.
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Iraqi Defense Ministry spokesman Mohammed al-Askari told reporters that militants are kidnapping more and more Iraqi children, though he could not offer details or numbers.

Politicians doing what politicians do best: exaggerate and lie.

The most prosperous, peaceful period in human history? Seriously? If that is the way you see the world I suppose the discussion is over, because millions of dead around the world thanks to US/EU bombs, drones, boots and the ever expanding war machine disagree.

Edit: terrorism is derived from terror, which means fear. You are so terrorised that you are willing to accept child molesters, lovely doses of radiation and other violations of your barely existing rights to feel safe. Bush probably mentioned the word terror and terrorism hundreds of times, to ensure it's sank deep within your psyche. And Obama, the winner of the irrelevant Nobel Peace prize, has gone to extremes not event he vilified Nixon would have dreamed of. Thus who has terrorised Western nations?
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post #54 of 79
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I'm not trying to say everything is perfect and great, but it certainly isn't nearly as bad as you and other reactionaries have made it out to be. In the grand scheme of history, this is actually pretty good.

Life is pretty good. For everyone. Everywhere. Lets stop right here. And if you studied history wouldn't you agree learning from the past is extremely important? Doomed to repeat it.


When I think that we have enough food to feed everyone and cures for diseases and people die because of these things which we have solutions for I just don't see a decent world to live in. The world is wreck still and there are tons of problems. It is a horrible place for a LOT of people.

The world may be peaceful in ways but I think that has way more to do with nuclear missiles then with human advancement. If suddenly there was a counter to nuclear weapons I think the world would plunge into a massive world war 3 that makes world war 2 look like a joke. In this time we have where nukes make everyone think of self preservation we ought to improve as much as we can and develop as much tech as we can.



I dont know how this article is still up because its entirely political, and we aren't supposed to talk about politics. But stripping peoples rights away and wasting money to do it is just wrong. And we are going to a 1984 type situation fast its just no one notices it. Banning light bulbs? Government has too much control over people already, and they continually infringe on our rights. Its like a slow calculated chess game where rights are slowly encroached upon and precedents set up and before you know it, checkmate. Vigilance is extremely important and if you came from a country and suffered that type of oppression you should be more vigilant than those who haven't.
post #55 of 79
No offense, but using the Daily Mail as a source instantly destroys all credibility. They are nothing more then a sensationalized tabloid. No different than the Nation Enquirer here in the United States.

That being said, our continued presence in these countries is what is leading to a perceived threat against us. If the United States focused on it's domestic security and not invading countries, we'd be a much smaller target. Don't believe for a second it is just because of "ideologies" and because the "Arabs" choose to believe in Allah instead of a Judeo-Christian God; as the mainstream media would love you to believe.

Body scanners are useless. Not because of how they work, or how they fail, but because our constant meddling in other countries has lead to them.
 
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post #56 of 79
While I loathe the TSA, at least it's a step in the right direction. IIRC, these scanners work in a similar manner, but have an image processing algorithm analyze the images rather then a person. If I had it my way though, the TSA would be abolished entirely.
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post #57 of 79
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How many terrorists have the TSA caught? The backscatter x-ray is the least of our worries. Patting down children? People in wheelchairs? Stripping elderly people in diapers? Asking cancer victims to remove fake breasts? Removing colonostomy bags?

Biggest waste of money ever.

i'm pretty sure they've actually caught several terrorists
post #58 of 79
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I am not happy with being shot with close-to x-ray level radiation each time I want to board a flight.

THIS

I can believe more people aren't concerned about this. People are far more concerned with being seen "naked".
First of all: Stop being so trivial/childish and start putting your own personal health and well being above such trivial things.
Second of all: The people who are so concerned with being seen naked have probably never seen the pictures that get taken by those machines. There's no face, no definition, no defining or distinguishing features whatsoever. If I were given a handful of those photos and one of them was me, I probably could not be able to figure out which was was me.

Scientists say that X-Ray machines are "safe". But if that's true, then why does the operating technician go hide in a bomb shelter in the back of the room, or in a separate room altogether, before taking a snapshot of your insides?
The body scanners are not as powerful as X-Ray machines, but they operate on the same principal. Heck, even ultrasound (the ultra-safe alternative for X-Ray) has been linked to some issues in unborn fetuses. And too much exposure will eventually cause problems in anybody.
Or maybe not, maybe just a tiny bit of exposure is enough to cause serious problems. But the problems start so small and slowly that they're undetectable. Someone might go through a body scanner today, and get diagnosed with cancer 20 years later. But there's so much separation that it's impossible to single out the body scanner as the triggering cause. Studies have shown that to this day, Chernobyl is still causing cancer in people around the world. But there's no way to prove it 100%, so there's no way that any authorities will ever admit to it. And that means they will keep using the body scanners and X-Ray machines, until someone can finally prove it definitively.

I'm not saying these machines DO cause serious health problems. I'm say that there is a chance that they do. And is it really worth the risk? Cause at the end of the day, there is nothing more valuable than your own personal health.
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So you are saying these scanners do not add any actual security to flights? Only the perception of security?

Since their implementation there has not been one major case where they actually prevented the bringing on of something major into a flight.


So yeah, I'd say they're worthless. Especially after reading all the stories from journalists and bloggers about them bringing potentially lethal items onto a plan on accident many times even after walking through the scanners.
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Scientists say that X-Ray machines are "safe". But if that's true, then why does the operating technician go hide in a bomb shelter in the back of the room, or in a separate room altogether, before taking a snapshot of your insides?


Very simple. Because while you're only being exposed once, which in the long run isn't very much, they would be exposed multiple time every day for who knows how long. Once doesn't do much, but that kind of long term exposure would be enough to kill you.

As for "scientists" saying they're safe, I was under the impression that there has yet to be any conclusive studies made on the safety of these machines, and that many studies actually are pointing towards them not being good for regular fliers. The only positive studies I've heard of are in-house, which makes them rather worthless.
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