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So its the new year, and I haven't bought anything. Wasted all my time with RMA, courtesy of Seagate.

Now talking of RAM, I'm eyeing the #0 MV-3V4G3D(Assume 50$).
This is the wonder 30nm Samsung RAM people keep talking about.

Now take note that this RAM is not available at my local store (that means online shopping which makes me feel uneasy)

There are a few models however available, and around the same price as MV-3V4G3D.
#1 Corsair Vengeance DDR3 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) PC RAM (CMZ8GX3M2A2133C11R)
#2 G.Skill RipjawsX DDR3 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) PC RAM (F3-14900CL10S-8GBXL)
#3 Corsair Vengeance DDR3 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) PC RAM (CMZ8GX3M2A1866C9R)
#4 G.Skill RipjawsX DDR3 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) PC RAM (F3-17000CL11D-8GBXL)

And the ones on which I'm getting a good deal
#5 G.Skill RipjawsX DDR3 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) PC RAM (F3-12800CL10S-8GBXL)
#6 Corsair Vengeance DDR3 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) PC RAM (CMZ8GX3M1A1600C10)

I'm not going to be specific on the prices, but #0,#1,#2,#3,#4 are nearly the same price (+-6$), where #5,#6 are 40% cheaper in price.

What worries me is that, in my board's Memory QVL, none of these models are specified. Which makes me wonder if any of this is worth the hassle.

The RAM I already have is Kingston, and is barely stable at 1600mhz. Currently I have a 4x2Gb setup to a total of 8Gb.
I'm thinking of having 16/32Gb.
I know for gaming it is not required, infact at this point its just that I want to have it. I'll find use for it, when I have it.

Although budget limited, if I go #5, #6 route, I might get 32Gb somewhere in the near future, however I am worried my CM212 EVO might come in the way. So with all these 'tall' memory sticks, taking 2x8Gb only gives the 16Gb option, otherwise 4x4Gb only viable for #0
From the measurements I took, it seems only RipjawsX would somewhat be able to occupy all slots.

TL;DR

????Mhz #0 16Gb vs 1600Mhz 32Gb. I put the ???? because I don't know how far #0 will OC for me.
Stacking on 32Gb is also around 20% costlier than any >1600Mhz 16Gb solution.

For those wondering, YES I will be taking an FX-8350/20 in summer, for the curious, its because I'll have a 3 month vacation where I can fiddle with it all I want, as opposed to conditions right now.
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I have found Ripjaws to overclock (albeit, not by very much) a little better than the Vengeance line. It could have just been my experience.

I would also say that I felt no noticeable difference between 2400Mhz ram and 1600Mhz ram. I have an Intel build, though, and have heard that AMD chips do better with higher speed RAM (might have been the iGPU which benefited?)

I would go with the cheaper Ripjaws or the Samsung chips since you like to tinker wink.gif
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I have 2 set of Crucial Ballistix 8GB (2 x 4GB) and they runs just fine. I know with running SSD on my rig. My boot time is effected by the speed of memory I use. Like 2 -3 second different with 1600 vs 1866.
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I've found AMD systems to be picky with certain brands/kits.

Overall, what seems to always run right at spec are Corsair. GSkill is the worst for some of the kits having problems on certain AMD setups, and I don't buy it anymore even though it used to be my fave.

At this point, the only RAM I buy is 30nm Samsung becuase it ALWAYS works in every system. Every single one does 1866 @ 8-9-9-24 / 1.5V, and I'm sure you know about how high they can go with tuning.. You'd have to use 4x4GB to get 16 though.
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I've yet to seeing proof of someone running the Samson RAM above 1600 on the new as rock A 85 series such as extreme six an extreme four with the FM two sockets. I've seen people get them up to 1866 on the older 75 series as rock. Maybe time will C bios updates that support the Samson RAM above the stock frequency. Although maybe there's someone out there with the overclock Samsung on in a new as rock board that we don't know about and who hasn't posted in forums.

In fact I have seen two people say that they have had trouble getting the Samsung above 1600 on the new as rock a 85 board. But the Asus board a 85 someone has been able to get it 1866
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I've yet to seeing proof of someone running the Samson RAM above 1600 on the new as rock A 85 series such as extreme six an extreme four with the FM two sockets. I've seen people get them up to 1866 on the older 75 series as rock. Maybe time will C bios updates that support the Samson RAM above the stock frequency. Although maybe there's someone out there with the overclock Samsung on in a new as rock board that we don't know about and who hasn't posted in forums.

In fact I have seen two people say that they have had trouble getting the Samsung above 1600 on the new as rock a 85 board. But the Asus board a 85 someone has been able to get it 1866
This is why a some ram at the speed that I want to run and oc them if I can.
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I've yet to seeing proof of someone running the Samson RAM above 1600 on the new as rock A 85 series such as extreme six an extreme four with the FM two sockets. I've seen people get them up to 1866 on the older 75 series as rock...

I've got my 30nm Sammys completely stable @ 2200Mhz 11-11-11-28-2t on 1.57v.
Works great as graphics memory for my Llano APU.
Asus A75 mobo, not ASRock.

Ripjaws X overclock pretty near the same on here, too.
1600Mhz CL9 can hit 2000Mhz easy,
and I could even manage 2200Mhz with the CL8 1600Mhz pair, too.

My vote is on the Ripjaws X,
but I've not rightfully used Vengeance memory.
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You wont be able to have the 32GB setup at those speeds, FX CPU limitations, the highest rated clock for ram with all 4 mem slots full is 1600. any OC that passes about 1750 will need serious settings and playng around (looser timings, boots to voltage, and so forth). I have 32 GB vengeance 1866 memory and can have RAM up to 2100 with no issue if im using 2 sticks, however with all 4 ill have trouble passing 1700, keep that in mind when completing your purchase.
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